Pokerstrategy members scammed by Damian Copeland, "Spungeh"

    • Schnitzelfisch
      Schnitzelfisch
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      This is a thread about Damian Copeland (Spungeh on pokerstrategy, stars and ipoker) scamming multiple people through online and live stake deals. Here are a couple of facts:

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      1. mindan sent damian 21205 EUR total for live and online staking.

      2. USD500 went for coaching, which is 388EUR

      3. Damian entered 2165GBP into live reporting app, which is 2557EUR

      4. Damian owes mindan 18260EUR

      5. Damian promised he would enter all the fluctuations about the live stake into the application, but he didn't. Therefore, we are counting only the money recorded in the app as lost.

      6. Damian was asked multiple times to request hand histories from pokerstars and ipoker and forward the e-mails to mindan. He either did not request them or did not send them. In any case, mindan did not receive the hand histories, which means that the stakee cannot prove that he lost any money playing poker. He had 5 days to provide the hand histories which is more than enough, but he did not send anything.

      7. Damian was asked to provide skrill transactions, poker room transactions, credit card bills and bank transfer transactions, but he refused to do so/did not send any of those things to mindan.

      8. Damian kept asking for topping up the stake amounts to 100BI, because »he had tilt issues otherwise«.

      9. Damian did not keep exact track of his results, he was in fact very inaccurate, late, vague and unprofessional about his updates.

      10. When we were in Birmingham, there was no sign of him having a separate bankroll for poker and other living expenses, such as cabs and restaurants.

      11. He said he found out that »he lost more than he thought« in live games, not providing any proof or accurate data about that. It is hardly believable that he even tracked anything himself as he didn't have separate bankrolls.

      12. On multiple occasions, we have found damian providing us with inaccurate data about his living expenses. He said to one person that he has a big separate life roll while telling the other person that he's completely broke and needs more money. On the other hand, he lives in a penthouse with expensive rent and eats at fairly expensive restaurants daily. He said he has a student loan that he lives off, but we cannot know whether he is lieing or not as he is not willing to provide us with bank information and does not track the staking money data

      13. When we started pressuring Damian, he started seeking excuses for being broke, ill, having problems at university etc. And avoiding returning money.

      14. Damian was asked to return the remainder of the live stake roll (which should have been a couple of thousand EUR, but he avoided it by saying that there would be too many transfer fees and that he would just return it all in winnings.

      15. After the stake was paused, Damian was seen playing NL50HU and also NL400HU on Pokerstars (we saw him lose a couple of thousand $ there). He said he »got money from his mother« and played with »his own roll«. So essentially he ran into some money and didn't work on returning it to mindan but rather gambled with it on his own.

      16. When Damian was asked to end the stake, return the money and provide data, he asked if he could return the money in small % each month. This is completely unreasonable as he should be able to return all the money that is left from the stake immediately at any time.

      17. Damian said he would provide data to other stakers about live staking in February and March, but on the other hand told mindan he would not even play any live poker in February and March. He also later told mindan that »other stakers backed out« and asked for more money from him, and the other stakers now confirmed that they didn't back out but Damian aparrently »lost all the money«.

      18. Since Damian was found to have lied to many people on many different occasions, we cannot trust his graphs/hands from the PC ad they easily could have been purged/modified to his advantage. Again, this could have been solved by him sending us the hand histories, which he did not do.

      19. Damian also played random Sunday Million tournaments etc. During the stake, apparrently »with his own money«. Again, we cannot know this since he doesn't have his bankrolls separated in any way.

      20. Damian also asked mindan to invest into some shady businesses, asking him for 20k EUR, promising him huge returns without any real proof.

      21. Once mindan wanted to get the exact hand histories and set up the skype call with Damian to discuss how the stake would progress, Damian prioritized everything over the skype call. He went out to eat, to cinema with girlfriend, etc., said he broke his headphones and didn't put in the minimal effort to get new ones (he has a shopping mall 5 minutes away from his appartment). There was always an excuse to not do the skype call and provide the staker with the required data. This behaviour was completely unprofessional and wasted a lot of staker's time and nerves.

      22. Damian also did a lot of live travelling to Nottingham and other places, we do not know where he got the money for that since he was supposed to be broke (under stake).

      23. When Damian was asked to provide the hand histories for the last couple of months, he said that he deletes them frequently as »they slow down his PC«. He has an alienware laptop and a comparable PC, so that is completely not true. On the other hand, he mentioned that he has 10million+ hands on people at pokerstars, which aparrently doesn't slow down his computer, but 50k hands do?

      24. Damian said that 1000EUR got mystically lost between Moneybookers and Pokerstars. He said he inquired about it, but got no response/never provided any. This has happenned a couple of months ago and he still has not provided any proof whether this has actually happened.

      25. Damian actually must owe mindan more than the 18k amount, since they split the winnings on rakeback as well and mindan never received a part of those winnings.

      26. Damian has no proof that he actually transferred the remaining money of the live stake into a pokerstars account. There was supposed to be at least 5k left, which we have no idea where they are.

      27. Damian also played roulette and live poker in casinos in Nottingham, probably with mindan's money, out of the stake agreement.

      28. Damian said he had $4400 left online + what was left live, but the next time they talked he said that only $700-1k were left online, so $3.5k disappeared?

      29. When asked about the current bankroll, Damian said that he can tell the staker with the current bankroll, but that he cannot say how it got there, because it was aparrently impossible to add every hand of live games in the database. When we were in Birmingham he assured us that it was really easy to do that and boasted about many different features of the app. He should at least enter the data after each session, which he didn't.

      30. Damian also staked another player for poker. He was on a stake himself, broke and then staked someone else, most likely with staker's money.

      31. Damian used TwiceT's name as a referrence that he is a trustworthy person without TwiceT's knowledge or conscent, TwiceT never actually recommended Damian to anyone due to shady staking experience in the past.

      32. Damian used TwiceT's reputation and name to convince stakers to buy his action. He said that TT invested more than 6 figures into him and that he constantly coaches him, which were complete lies, as seen from the following chat histories.

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      [Donnerstag, 10. Jänner 2013 02:42] Damian:

      <<< yeah, well appart from trust i have people that can confirm im an all right guy
      TwiceT
      probably the highest on the list
      [14.5.2013 9:40:21] TwiceT: [25. januar 2013 17:54] TwiceT:

      <<< do you remember your staking update frequency? every 4 months. suddenly we were broke[25. januar 2013 17:55] TwiceT:

      <<< nope sry, you think thats too easy. you dont just get invited to the hs scene
      as a complete random[25. januar 2013 17:54] TwiceT:

      <<< yep, but i will never suggest them to stake you as long as i dont know your skills, have bad staking experience with you ..... way too risky for me, no need to do that[25. januar 2013 17:49] TwiceT:

      <<< sry, for those amounts of money nobody will trust you
      takes a long long time within the scene to get those live game stakings
      [14.5.2013 9:42:49 | Edited 9:45:43] TwiceT: obv i would not and have never said - in terms of poker - that he is i) good ii) trustworthy iii) legit .....

      yep we invested quite a bit in a business venture where he is involved as well. not 6 figures though, below. actually to be correct, there has been a merge with a completely different project. his project got 30k eur effectively. to be even more precise, given the shares he got, owns 10800 eur of equity. so to say it in normal language, we invested 10800 eur in him directly. thats quite far away from a 6 digit number, just to be correct. i will clarify that in the thread one time becasue i obv cant let those statements be there uncommented

      we talk since 14 months or so, in between sometimes randomly about poker, but to no extent at all. just a random hand every few weeks. and he got coached 2 times for 90 mins (with mindan's moniez, which i didnt know). so 180 mins of real extensive coaching, all the rest a bit poker trash talking in between.

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      We want Spungeh to write in this thread and publicly announce how he is going to pay mindan back his money. In case he does not do that, we will have to use other sources to get the money back from him. If you know Spungeh personally or have any more information about the past staking experiences with him, please get in contact with me.
  • 213 replies
    • maritsula
      maritsula
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      FINAL REPORT

      This is our stake experience with Damian Copeland - Spugneh.

      Live £200NL - *Updated, Graph and Results*

      What will follow is an objective summary of what happened. Everything stated is a fact and can be proven.

      1. He applied for a live stake for £3000 to play nl200 in casinos on the 9th of January. The backers to my knowledge at that time were myself for 30%, pucilpet10% and liessens for 25%.

      2. He said TwiceT would vouch for him “yeah, well appart from trust i have people that can confirm im an all right guy TwiceT probably the highest on the list”. This was done without TwiceT's consent. In fact if you read TwiceT's quote in the end of the OP, he had an opposite view of him. He also claimed that TwiceT had way over 6 figures sum invested in him, in a business project. This was denied by TT as he put the figure in 10 000 and not 6 figures +

      3. From the 11th of January the stake officially started. Long story short, on the 28th of March after a lack of proper updates Damian told us the stake was almost lost.

      4. Throughout the stake he gave rare updates. To be specific on the 10, 20, 22,23 of Feb and the 11,17,18 of March after continuous complaints on the stakers behalf he promised updates but then failed to do so. We had an agreement to provide a monthly detailed report which was not honored.

      5. In a private conversation he told me “Yep, my updates have been bad, No other reason than my bad” and “I think im just going to shy away from any more stakes, I dont think i suit them.. Im good at keeping myself updated, and im good at chasing people, but im no good at actually giving infomation to other people.. and I dont think thats fair when people are staking me.So i think imma just take a gamble with my own money.. which i didnt want todo because of rent/bills etc. but it may be easier for me.”

      6. Due to his mistakes and his unprofessionalism he offered to pay back 50% of my initial investment which was agreed on my behalf. The same was offered to the other two backers.

      7. The payment day for my 50% was on the end of April. I contacted him a few days ago and he said he can’t send the money until the end of the week. From that time onwards he did not reply to my other texts, my phone calls and my messages on skype. I have yet to receive the £525 he agreed to pay back.

      8. Another important fact is that on the 2th of February he said he found a guy to buy the rest 35%. However on the 28th of March he wrote “No 4th backer in the end, as he wanted more % that wasn't available” in the stakers group and on the 31st of March he told me in skype “4th guy didnt want to buy because it was only 15bi anyway, and at that time it would of meant it was to high varience for him to commit.”

      9. As I found out a few days ago this statement was not true as there was a 4th guy who bough the 35% left and this guy is Mindan.



      My stake with Damian Copeland was breached numerous times by
      a) Lying to the other backers about the non-existence of a 4th backer
      b) not providing monthly updates as we agreed
      c) promising to update in 8 circumstances but then failing to do so



      Therefore, I demand that my 30%, $1440 is returned.



      If Damian Copeland does not publicly announce the repayment of this sum, I will use other resources to regain my money, including legal action as the stake is a contract governed by UK law.
    • TwiceT
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      I am not really involved in this staking story, but I recently got forwarded quite some details about those staking deals and I need to make some points for clarifications:


      I) I staked Damian in spring 2012 for USD 1000. The frequency of updates was really bad, in fact I haven't had a worse staking deal but since it was only such a small stake, I didn't care too much. Even though I tried to push for detailed updates for weeks, at one point I gave up when he said we are broke anyway. Since we are involved in a business project I didn't see a reason to go mad here, I learned my lesson and from then on decided to never stake him again. He sometimes offered me action on some cash games and tournaments end of 2012 and early 2013, but I didn't take any of it. I also NEVER ADVISED ANYBODY TO STAKE DAMIAN. I also never said the opposite iirc, but only because nobody ever asked me. I had no idea so many people had staking deals running with him. I would not have advised anybody to engage in a poker deal with Damian after my personal staking experience.

      II) I wanna make clear that I distinguish between i) poker ii) private and iii) business. Damian is a fun guy to hang out in private, I have no problem with him at all. I also coached him 2 times in poker and I think he has potential as a player, but ofc there is a lot to improve on. As for my staking experience with him, he lacks every bit of professionalism and there is no way I would stake him again. Thats what I told him and I will tell anybody who asks me. ITS THEREFORE NOT CORRECT THAT I RECOMMENDED DAMIAN TO ANYBODY IN THE POKER COMMUNITY.

      III) He is involved in one of our business ventures, but we didnt invest "6 digits" into him. He has percentages on a company that merged 2 big projects, both projects combined got amount X (which is lower than 100k) on which he has a share of Y % which equals EUR 10800 in value. I also dont see any reason to share more about our business relationship, we openly communicate everything on a regular basis. I just wanted to clarify because I saw Skype logs saying that I/we invested 6 digits into him, which is not correct.



      I hope these issues get resolved quickly and in a professional way.
    • bennisboy
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      Damn, always seem like a decent guy on the forums.

      Also, how the hell is a live poker tracking app so expensive?!?
    • Farmarchist
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      Wow did not expected this from damian
    • pucilpet
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      [quote]Originally posted by pucilpet
      Originally posted by maritsula
      This is our stake experience with Damian Copeland - Spugneh.

      Live £200NL - *Updated, Graph and Results*

      1. The backers to my knowledge at that time were .. pucilpet 10%

      I demand that my 10%, £300 is returned.
    • Schnitzelfisch
      Schnitzelfisch
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      Originally posted by bennisboy
      Damn, always seem like a decent guy on the forums.

      Also, how the hell is a live poker tracking app so expensive?!?
      Wat :D ?

      The app is free, you just have to use it. This was obviously too hard of a task for Damian.
    • holmeboy
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      Wow.

      I don't know Damian but we had plans to meet up on a few occasions which never came to fruition. Still knowing that he was in touch, I think, with TT, Manu, Schnitzelfisch (hope I spelt that right lol) etc. I didn't expect to see something like this happen. Almost staked him as well... And Probably would have if it was an online stake.

      I hope you guys get it sorted.

      edit: Just noticed he's not on facebook anymore either
    • UPAY4DINNER
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      Hey all,

      I would like to add that Damian made an application for quite another large stake on the 25th of January 2013.

      We have a copy of the threads contents which I will quote below. We removed it to a restricted location once his application was denied.

      Originally posted by Spungeh
      I have read and accepted the staking rules. By posting in this thread, every member acknowledges the same.

      Feedback for Spungeh

      Also..

      Live £200NL - *Updated, Graph and Results*

      So...

      Keeping this seperate.. As want the stakes different.. Basically looking for £10,000 (15775.00 US Dollar) for a business mans game that I got invited to last night..

      The game runs a few times a week.. min sit down is £500, and avg stacks are around £2000-3000.... There are 3 pros there.. and the rest are drunk/gamblers/businessmen..

      If I had the bankroll I would ship the entire thing myself as It'll be easy money.. but obv.. I dont :D

      I already have some people interested.. but going to let the wider audience have a look at the piece.. talk on skype for more details..

      numbers

      £10,000 = 15775.00 US Dollar

      10% = £1000 = 1577.50 US Dollar
      25% = £2500 = 3943.75 US Dollar
      50% = £5000 = 7888.50 US Dollar
    • EmanuelC16
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      Hey guys,

      Since I was the first person that, I know of, that had contact with Damian around the forum, I think I have to post around here as well.

      It was a staking/coaching agreement we made around April of last year when he got into poker. I staked him 50% of his bankroll to have a total of $100. That is just small money and we ended the agreement when he started business with TT. He wanted to continue but I told him to focus on business and we can return to poker later anyway. He delayed sending me back my part for quite a bit but since the amount was so small I didn't worry too much about it, I just found it very unprofessional.

      In total we had 3 or less coaching sessions and the agreement lasted less than a month. During that, Damian played a Sunday Storm out of the agreement which was a first sign. He then delayed sending me my part like I mentioned and with his part he ended up gambling it up to playing NL500. The only proof I have of that is friends asking me :"WTF is your student doing on NL500".

      I met with him in London, last September, OK guy to hang out with like TT said. I will follow this thread and help the stakers get back the money that is rightfully theirs. I can definitely +1 all the comments about lack of professionalism from Damian.

      I think it's beyond the point of the thread to post non-poker related experience with Damian. I haven't recommended him to be staked and I'm surprised nobody contacted me for a reference.
    • bennisboy
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      Originally posted by Schnitzelfisch
      Originally posted by bennisboy
      Damn, always seem like a decent guy on the forums.

      Also, how the hell is a live poker tracking app so expensive?!?
      Wat :D ?

      The app is free, you just have to use it. This was obviously too hard of a task for Damian.
      Hahaha I just realised how badly wrong I interpreted this:

      Damian entered 2165GBP into live reporting app, which is 2557EUR
      :f_biggrin:
    • EmanuelC16
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      The screenshot of Damian being down around $3k recently, after being told to put all poker play on hold and send all relevant information to Mindan.

    • jbpatzer
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      Having sat to his left for 5 hours at DTD in Nottingham last month, I could have told you that he's a fish. Nobody ever asks me anything. :f_mad:
    • Schnitzelfisch
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      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      Hey guys,

      Since I was the first person that, I know of, that had contact with Damian around the forum, I think I have to post around here as well.

      It was a staking/coaching agreement we made around April of last year when he got into poker. I staked him 50% of his bankroll to have a total of $100. That is just small money and we ended the agreement when he started business with TT. He wanted to continue but I told him to focus on business and we can return to poker later anyway. He delayed sending me back my part for quite a bit but since the amount was so small I didn't worry too much about it, I just found it very unprofessional.

      In total we had 3 or less coaching sessions and the agreement lasted less than a month. During that, Damian played a Sunday Storm out of the agreement which was a first sign. He then delayed sending me my part like I mentioned and with his part he ended up gambling it up to playing NL500. The only proof I have of that is friends asking me :"WTF is your student doing on NL500".


      I met with him in London, last September, OK guy to hang out with like TT said. I will follow this thread and help the stakers get back the money that is rightfully theirs. I can definitely +1 all the comments about lack of professionalism from Damian.

      I think it's beyond the point of the thread to post non-poker related experience with Damian. I haven't recommended him to be staked and I'm surprised nobody contacted me for a reference.
      ACTUALLY he admitted to that and was proud of it:

    • Skodljivec
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      Disgusting
    • Akcus
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      What a snake!
    • Schnitzelfisch
      Schnitzelfisch
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      Also, interesting fact:

      there are plenty of other people on pokerstrategy who do stakes normally. They set up terms here, post frequent results and all the data required.

      Damian however abused my private mastermind group to get access to mindan and get the money out of him.

      If you take a look at his past stake requests, he frequently says "details in private", so people on the forums couldn't see how much he actually sucks/how unprofessional he is.

      By the way, we have skype conversations and recorded skype calls to prove all the facts stated in our posts.

      -SF
    • Tomaloc
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      what a shame. he added me on skype past year but we pretty much didn't talk at all, thought he was pretty decent though ;(

      my thoughts on him were like "wtf this guy doesn't ever post a 15k+ hands graph"...
      but he seemed to always be hanging out with "you guys" and also seemed to be doing fairly well and moving up quickly, so i just assumed he had good talent and was crushing the games.

      i guess this shows another possibility :P good luck to everyone involved.
    • spreeboy
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      I'd rather bust my roll a hundred times than loss my reputation. stupid guy :s_ugly:
    • Mikus8
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      What are you going to do with this guy after he disappears now?