[NL20-NL50] [Sh] Nl50 Jj

    • dannywratten
      dannywratten
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      Joined: 11.05.2010 Posts: 1,462
      Hey, both villains unknown.

      Do you think squeezing JJ here without any reads is too loose? Hard to play when the flop comes Q+ esp if both villains call.
      Also I'm not comfortable going broke pre so maybe flatting is better.

      OTF I think B/F is probably best? He probably has all sets, & there's no FD's so he would be needing to shove some gutshots & open enders to make a call ok right?

      FWIW he SNAP called flop, as in <0.5 seconds, so I discounted all sets at the time since I would expect him to at least consider raising.

      OTT he snap shoved also, so I was a bit lost.


      BTN: $41.68 (83.4 bb)
      SB: $70.30 (140.6 bb)
      Hero (BB): $51 (102 bb)
      UTG: $80.78 (161.6 bb)
      MP: $34.45 (68.9 bb)
      CO: $62.65 (125.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with J J
      2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB folds, Hero raises to $6, CO calls $4.50, BTN folds

      Flop: ($13.75) 8 6 T (2 players)
      Hero bets $7.50, CO calls $7.50

      Turn: ($28.75) 4 (2 players)
      Hero bets $15, CO raises to $45.50, Hero calls $22.50 and is all-in

      River: ($103.75) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $103.75 pot ($2.50 rake)
      Final Board: 8 6 T 4 2
      Hero showed J J and lost (-$51 net)
      CO showed 4 6 and won $101.25 ($50.25 net)
  • 3 replies
    • cutegoldfish
      cutegoldfish
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      Joined: 19.11.2009 Posts: 4,335
      pre flop - flatting is bad becuase we go 3way oop. i am definitely 3betting here since we want value immediately and we want initiative with our strong hand and is ahead of both CO and bU range.

      flop - board is connected i would bet/shove here for value i think he could raise worse hands

      turn - i dont think hes raising many worse hands here but with the odds we probably have to call. after seeing his hand i think our decision is right, i would expect him to be capable of raising a hand like 9J here and possibly call a hand like 89
    • dannywratten
      dannywratten
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      Joined: 11.05.2010 Posts: 1,462
      Thanks!
      Broad question, but how do you normally proceed in this spot with JJ if the board comes K64r or Q22r or AQx or smth?

      Usually cbet once & give up? I just thought it would be hard to continue on most flops & I have to turn it into a bluff.
    • cutegoldfish
      cutegoldfish
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      Joined: 19.11.2009 Posts: 4,335
      Multi way I'll bet since the board can get worse and I hope for folds immediately.

      Heads up depends on the opponent Alot, I'll think of how to get maximum value from my opponent, does he call too much? Does he bet too much? And his hand range and the maximum value I can get from him in number of streets.