[NL20-NL50] Aces, wet board, multiway

    • pokerferrer
      pokerferrer
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      Joined: 05.03.2008 Posts: 6,347
      Opponent is unknown, second hand. What do you think? Should we go broke on then turn since the most obvious draw hitted? Or mb bluff catch as played?
      What if button reraises us on the flop? He is a reg 29/21, 95 hands.

      NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
      SB ($19.25)
      BB ($20.35)
      UTG ($25.38)
      Hero ($27.43)
      BTN ($25)

      Dealt to Hero A:diamond: A:heart:

      fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, fold

      FLOP ($2.50) 2:heart: 6:spade: 8:spade:

      SB bets $1, Hero raises to $3.75, BTN folds, SB calls $2.75

      TURN ($10) 2:heart: 6:spade: 8:spade: 5:diamond:

      SB bets $2, Hero calls $2

      RIVER ($14) 2:heart: 6:spade: 8:spade: 5:diamond: Q:heart:

      SB bets $3, Hero calls $3

      SB shows K:spade: K:club:
      (Pre 19%, Flop 12.8%, Turn 4.5%)

      Hero shows A:diamond: A:heart:
      (Pre 81%, Flop 87.2%, Turn 95.5%)

      Hero wins $19.10
  • 8 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      hi.

      I would just bet 3 streets. Vs a halfpot donk or more, i would call. vs a small donkbet i would put in a small raise to about 80% of the initial pot size before villain bets on that street.

      i think you lost a lot of value - he could have some draws or worse overpairs like 99/TT/JJ. Villain also does not have auto topup on so he is probably bad and could have many more combos of top pairs.

      Thanks
    • pokerferrer
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      Joined: 05.03.2008 Posts: 6,347
      Ok, thanks for professional hand evaluation, especially counting that I can't bet 3 streets because of his line, I even can't bet one single street because of donks.
      And also I asked what should we do if reg reraises us. And there is still no answer. It seems you even didn't read my post.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      if reg raises you, just fold

      "I would just bet 3 streets. Vs a halfpot donk or more, i would call. vs a small donkbet i would put in a small raise to about 80% of the initial pot size before villain bets on that street."

      i already answered the other question. 3 streets of value. if he bets small you raise it as though he did not bet. if he bets >50% pot, you call. if u want to get picky about terminology, then ok, you should go for 3 streets of value with normal sized bets

      but now that i think about it, that probably leads you to stacking him anyway which is fine since he's a fish
    • pokerferrer
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      Because it is frequent practice. I even tried to make question in bold font, but judges still don't see it.

      And as I mentioned. First problem is he is unknown. Second, if we go broke on the turn we are very likely to have 0% equity, and he will always have 20% at least.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      number your questions and format them, it'll be easier to read and answer them one by one

      1. Should we go broke on the Turn?
      2. What if BU reraises us on the Flop? Do we fold?
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      if he donk/min3bets the Turn you should fold cos that's usually a monster.
      Against a donk/3bet shove it's closer, i think folding is still reasonable but it could be a call.
      But most of the time he would probably donk/call and donk again
    • pokerferrer
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      So bluff catch then, if his range is weak, we can easy fold bad rivers, and still can get some value from weak range by just calling turn and river.
      And raise fold is sick on the turn because of his stack size.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      hmm maybe 80% pot is too big. if you raise it to $5 instead on the Turn and he calls, pot will have $20, and you will have almost $10 behind.

      You are not committed yet if he ships since you would be getting 25% pot odds which is probably not enough to call it off vs a donk/3b range on the Turn which will mostly be straights and sets.

      you are significantly ahead of his range. just because you are afraid of meeting a trapped monster a small % of the time doesn't mean that you shouldn't go for value here.

      1. i gave many flush draws and discounted some two pairs and sets
      Board: 2h6s8s5d
      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 29.25% 29.25% 0.00% { JJ-99, 77-66, A8s, K8s, T8s, 97s, 86s, KsQs, AsJs, KsJs, QsJs, AsTs, KsTs, QsTs, JsTs, As9s, As7s, As5s, As3s, As2s }
      MP3 70.75% 70.75% 0.00% { AdAh }

      2. All combos of sets and monsters
      Board: 2h6s8s5d
      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 38.71% 38.71% 0.00% { JJ-55, 22, A8s, K8s, T8s, 97s, 86s, KsQs, AsJs, KsJs, QsJs, AsTs, KsTs, QsTs, JsTs, As9s, As7s, As5s, As3s, As2s }
      MP3 61.29% 61.29% 0.00% { AdAh }

      i think you definitely should keep on firing away, there's just way too much value to be had. I think that you should have 70-75% equity in this spot most of the time.