[NL2-NL10] Nl 10 Sh Qq

    • Atoks
      Atoks
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      Joined: 01.06.2008 Posts: 1,354
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $10,75
      BU:
      $10,91

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with Q:club: , Q:spade:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0,40, BU raises to $0,90, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3,50, BU calls $2,60.

      Flop: ($7,15) 5:heart: , A:diamond: , K:spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BU bets $2,00, Hero folds.

      Final Pot: $9,15

      Good fold? not too sure if I'm pot commited here or not and wether it was a good idea to rereraise him preflop. Basicaly I wanted to push him off any other hands then AA or KK. Good play or...?
  • 8 replies
    • srohack
      srohack
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      hi
      preflop you either 4 bet / push(call) or you fold . otherwise(if you 3bet/fold ) you are turning queens into a bluff and their are to strong to do this .
      flop sucks hard . an ace and a king hit the board and with his stats this cards hit his range hard. even you have left just a pot size bet i think check/folding its ok
      gl
    • Atoks
      Atoks
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      Joined: 01.06.2008 Posts: 1,354
      Originally posted by srohack
      hi
      preflop you either 4 bet / push(call) or you fold . otherwise(if you 3bet/fold ) you are turning queens into a bluff and their are to strong to do this .
      flop sucks hard . an ace and a king hit the board and with his stats this cards hit his range hard. even you have left just a pot size bet i think check/folding its ok
      gl
      So basicaly make it at least 4$ and call push or can I still fold if he pushes me?
    • srohack
      srohack
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      hi
      as a general rule that you can use when you are oop with queens and get 3 beted with 100bb stacks :
      you either 4 bet and get it in if you know he can do that with more then AA KK or you just fold in the other case .
      as played (with him raising so small its ok to call flop for set value)
      gl

      look at your equity :

      his range : just AA and KK

      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      123,285,888 games 0.005 secs 24,657,177,600 games/sec

      Board:
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 18.259% 18.03% 00.22% 22233672 277182.00 { QQ }
      Hand 1: 81.741% 81.52% 00.22% 100497852 277182.00 { KK+ }

      his range (very tight) :AA,KK,QQ,AK
      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      297,940,896 games 0.005 secs 59,588,179,200 games/sec

      Board:
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 40.207% 38.35% 01.86% 114253440 5540034.00 { QQ }
      Hand 1: 59.793% 57.93% 01.86% 172607388 5540034.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

      his range ( normal 3 beting range including suited connectors as air ) :99+,AQ+,AJs,87s,98s,10js
      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      585,607,968 games 0.005 secs 117,121,593,600 games/sec

      Board:
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 57.591% 56.48% 01.11% 330767928 6487722.00 { QQ }
      Hand 1: 42.409% 41.30% 01.11% 241864596 6487722.00 { JJ+, 99, AJs+, 98s, AQo+ }

      so you are almost fliping with a very tight range and are ahead of a decent range
      gl
    • Petrificus
      Petrificus
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      Joined: 18.02.2008 Posts: 394
      What about calling his reraise preflop and getting it in on the flop, if there were no overcards and folding on such a flop? Is that too weak?
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by Petrificus
      What about calling his reraise preflop and getting it in on the flop, if there were no overcards and folding on such a flop? Is that too weak?
      With QQ I like to go 4-bet/call oop.
      Ip you sometimes call and then getting it all-in on good flops.
      Also his 3-bet is very small, so I like here making 4-bet.
      On the flop: I think betting here 4$/folding to any action on the turn or river is better than give up. He could also call with TT, JJ and if you c/f then you're going to fold better hand.
    • srohack
      srohack
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      On the flop: I think betting here 4$/folding to any action on the turn or river is better than give up. He could also call with TT, JJ and if you c/f then you're going to fold better hand.
      if you bet 4$ you have to call another 3$ in a 18.5$ pot so you cant actualy bet / fold because you are comited .
      either check/ fold or bet/call if you wanna bet ...
      imo
    • Petrificus
      Petrificus
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      With QQ I like to go 4-bet/call oop.
      Ip you sometimes call and then getting it all-in on good flops.


      That sounds good; just read this in an article today :D
      But on the 4$ bet/fold line i have to agree with srohack
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by srohack

      On the flop: I think betting here 4$/folding to any action on the turn or river is better than give up. He could also call with TT, JJ and if you c/f then you're going to fold better hand.
      if you bet 4$ you have to call another 3$ in a 18.5$ pot so you cant actualy bet / fold because you are comited .
      either check/ fold or bet/call if you wanna bet ...
      imo
      Yes, you´re right.
      You´re pot committed if he shoves.
      So against passive player c/f is fine.