Reasons Why Bronze/Basic Disctintion Should be Eliminated

    • HisImperialMajesty
      HisImperialMajesty
      Bronze
      Joined: 20.04.2013 Posts: 6
      Currently, the Bronze/Basic distinction doesn't make much sense. Here are a few of the reasons why.

      1. Bronze tier is free for some, $20 for others:
      If you look at the points required, 100 points is implied to be worth ~$6.00. Thus one point is implied to be worth $0.06. Now, this is well represented if you are in Europe by the amount of effort needed to get to bronze status, which is basically automatic by accepting a promotion you probably should have accepted anyways. However, in countries restricting online poker (the united states, for example), these promotions are not an option, and thus the real value of bronze tier is $20, as this is the marginal increase in contribution needed to reach said tier. Is the content worth $20? Well, when we are being told it is $0.06 in value... it means it is pretty difficult point to make it seem worth $20, especially without additional information.

      2. Silver Tier purchasers should have maximum information on what they are getting:
      So now that we established that if you are to purchase time in silver tier, you are doing so for the time in silver tier, the question becomes... how do you know you are getting your money's worth. To know this, you should have access to a lower tier's value to make sure the content quality is high enough. Basic offers only a snapshot of poker, approximately equivalent to learning in chess that a pawn is worth 3 moves, without qualifying it with deeper understanding. Bronze is filled with the qualifiers to what you learn in basic, but this is where an example of quality comes in, but without this information, it is hard to make an evaluation on the quality of silver tier.

      3. Silver Tier purchasers should have ability to maximize the value of their purchase:
      I think we'd agree that the earlier tiers create the foundation on which to build on the knowlege gained in later tiers. However, if you purchase a later tier, learning this information has to be over condensed. This is because if you are trying to learn No-Limit, and you wanted to read the 44 silver articles, you'd want to have first learned the 17 bronze articles. However, if you have to do this on your silver's time, you are losing value on silver's time, thus decreasing the value of our purchase.

      4. The site itself is confused as to which is which:
      Even this site doesn't know which article is which, with mutliple articles being listed as basic one place, and then bronze at another, or basic articles referencing bronze articles as must reads. If the site itself has trouble keeping track of which one is which, then the distinction shouldn't exist for users either.

      All of these factors indicate that bronze tier shouldn't exist. The only reason it does exist is to promote the promotions that shouldn't need the requirement. Even if these promotions do need more traffic, there should be a better way to convince people to use them, or an alternate method of attaining bronze for as long as major demographics are unable to use them anyways (the bronze quiz, which is still on the site, for example). If not, too much confidence in a silver purchase is lost keeping bronze tier as hidden information, without enough gain.
  • 3 replies
    • UPAY4DINNER
      UPAY4DINNER
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.09.2009 Posts: 21,922
      Hey there HisImperialMajesty,

      Many thanks for your detailed post and feedback. I will pass this on and get a responce from Gibraltar as soon as possible.

      Thank you for your patience.


      Regards,
      Gary.
    • UPAY4DINNER
      UPAY4DINNER
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.09.2009 Posts: 21,922
      Hey again,

      Thanks again for your post.

      Feedback is important to help us grow and improve and we always appreciate when members take the time to make such a thread.

      First of all, there are no plans to change the status system as it stands. It makes sense for us, it serves a purpose and I think any chance would be confusing for the masses and members that have been here for a very long time.

      Our subscription model is always being reviewed and who knows there maybe changes in the future. We are aware of the status offerings/prices and they are always been looked at in terms of value/offering etc.

      You are correct in saying that Basic vs Bronze status are pretty much the same. However, we use our Bronze status as a registration point. It only requires 1SP lifetime and you will always remain. More members are willing to register, get their free poker money and have an identity within the community.

      I know this doesn't tackle every facet of your post and I will see if I can get someone else to take a look and reply.

      Hope this helps,
      Gary.
    • inoimbluffingdou
      inoimbluffingdou
      Basic
      Joined: 09.06.2013 Posts: 42
      Originally posted by HisImperialMajesty
      Currently, the Bronze/Basic distinction doesn't make much sense. Here are a few of the reasons why.

      1. Bronze tier is free for some, $20 for others:
      If you look at the points required, 100 points is implied to be worth ~$6.00. Thus one point is implied to be worth $0.06. Now, this is well represented if you are in Europe by the amount of effort needed to get to bronze status, which is basically automatic by accepting a promotion you probably should have accepted anyways. However, in countries restricting online poker (the united states, for example), these promotions are not an option, and thus the real value of bronze tier is $20, as this is the marginal increase in contribution needed to reach said tier. Is the content worth $20? Well, when we are being told it is $0.06 in value... it means it is pretty difficult point to make it seem worth $20, especially without additional information.

      2. Silver Tier purchasers should have maximum information on what they are getting:
      So now that we established that if you are to purchase time in silver tier, you are doing so for the time in silver tier, the question becomes... how do you know you are getting your money's worth. To know this, you should have access to a lower tier's value to make sure the content quality is high enough. Basic offers only a snapshot of poker, approximately equivalent to learning in chess that a pawn is worth 3 moves, without qualifying it with deeper understanding. Bronze is filled with the qualifiers to what you learn in basic, but this is where an example of quality comes in, but without this information, it is hard to make an evaluation on the quality of silver tier.

      3. Silver Tier purchasers should have ability to maximize the value of their purchase:
      I think we'd agree that the earlier tiers create the foundation on which to build on the knowlege gained in later tiers. However, if you purchase a later tier, learning this information has to be over condensed. This is because if you are trying to learn No-Limit, and you wanted to read the 44 silver articles, you'd want to have first learned the 17 bronze articles. However, if you have to do this on your silver's time, you are losing value on silver's time, thus decreasing the value of our purchase.

      4. The site itself is confused as to which is which:
      Even this site doesn't know which article is which, with mutliple articles being listed as basic one place, and then bronze at another, or basic articles referencing bronze articles as must reads. If the site itself has trouble keeping track of which one is which, then the distinction shouldn't exist for users either.

      All of these factors indicate that bronze tier shouldn't exist. The only reason it does exist is to promote the promotions that shouldn't need the requirement. Even if these promotions do need more traffic, there should be a better way to convince people to use them, or an alternate method of attaining bronze for as long as major demographics are unable to use them anyways (the bronze quiz, which is still on the site, for example). If not, too much confidence in a silver purchase is lost keeping bronze tier as hidden information, without enough gain.
      Wow what is an interesting amount of detail. It has made me look into the subscription model in more detail now