Crisis time in Australia

    • Lazza61
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      Things are starting to look critical for online poker in Australia. With a Federal Election looming in September, online poker for Australians is under attack.

      With the Liberal party short odds on favourite to regain power, online poker is in serious danger of being banned.

      We have had our own "Unlawful Internet Gaming" law for about a decade. The law has basically been unenforceable because it is not illegal for Australians to gamble online, it's illegal for gaming companies unlicensed in Australia to provide gambling services to Australians.

      As there is basically no penalty, life has gone on, online poker has boomed and Australians now have one of the best participation rates per capita.

      With the boom in popularity, the incumbent government commissioned a report with a view to regulating and/or taxing the industry.

      However, the report came back a bit wishy-washy. It suggested that due to a small percentage of "problem gamblers", all cash games should be banned, while online tournament poker should be allowed to stay.

      So the Liberal opposition attacked the report and leader Tony Abbott vowed to ban real money online poker entirely.

      I beg all Australian PokerStrategists to put Liberal last at the next election and help save online poker in Australia.
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    • inoimbluffingdou
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      We survived the poker ban in the United States and somehow there are still US poker players out there playing poker. But somehow I doubt that any country in the world would react as harshly as the US did. I could be eating my words later though.
    • Lazza61
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      We're talking about our next Prime Minister not only believing that women belong barefoot and in the kitchen, but also our gambling habits should be controlled by the supreme minority of people who have gambling problems.
    • dannywratten
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      Not long to go now, it was nice knowing you all :(


      http://www.pokerasiapacific.com/election-2013-grim-tidings-online-poker41148.html
    • Lazza61
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      Originally posted by dannywratten
      Not long to go now, it was nice knowing you all :(


      http://www.pokerasiapacific.com/election-2013-grim-tidings-online-poker41148.html


      :(
    • dannywratten
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      Was kinda hoping someone would reply with some more positive news :(

      Guess i'll be playing a lot more live, unless there's some sort of not so legitimate way to get around it :D
    • lessthanthreee
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      As an Aussie pro I'll just wait and see what happens. I'm not worried.
    • Lazza61
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      Not a lot of positives there. Just checked the latest betting market and the Coalition is $1.04 with Labour at $10.

      I suppose one positive is that Andrew Wilkie is NOT against online poker, as opposed to Slots and horsebetting.

      How do they enforce it? They have zero chance of getting pokersites that are not licensed in Australia from blocking Australians.

      Do they put pressure on ISPs to block the sites for them? This is the most likely scenario. In Dubai they only have 2 ISPs so it is relatively easy to enforce. However, according to some reports I read this only blocks updates and apparently you can still login and play. The risk there is that you are literally risking your life to do that.

      European sites that are licensed in Australia are already blocking Australians like William Hill and Victor Chandler. I would assume Bet365 and Betfair also block Australians (Poker Players) because they hold Australian licences.
    • Lazza61
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      Originally posted by lessthanthreee
      As an Aussie pro I'll just wait and see what happens. I'm not worried.
      lol typical Aussie. "She'll be right, mate" :D

      You could move to NZ and room with Chenny
    • dannywratten
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      LT3's confidence makes me feel a little better :D

      But do you have a reason for this? Have you maybe heard more information about the matter?
      I don't really know anything outside of this thread & article.
    • thazar
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      Originally posted by dannywratten
      LT3's confidence makes me feel a little better :D

      But do you have a reason for this? Have you maybe heard more information about the matter?
      I don't really know anything outside of this thread & article.
      I think it is more of the case of why worry over something you have little or no control on, that may or may not happen in some unknown time scale. What will happen will happen and when you know more you can make informative decisions about it but right now there are just speculations and even if some look more likely than others there are still speculations.
    • lessthanthreee
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      Originally posted by thazar
      Originally posted by dannywratten
      LT3's confidence makes me feel a little better :D

      But do you have a reason for this? Have you maybe heard more information about the matter?
      I don't really know anything outside of this thread & article.
      I think it is more of the case of why worry over something you have little or no control on, that may or may not happen in some unknown time scale. What will happen will happen and when you know more you can make informative decisions about it but right now there are just speculations and even if some look more likely than others there are still speculations.
      ^^pretty much this.

      I talked to a few other aussie pros and no one is really too worried.
      Like Lazza61 said, they can't do anything to stop sites from serving Australian customers if they are not licensed in Aus. They can close down their Australian 'offices' but they have no means to punish operators that reside overseas.
      Ok, so they might block access through ISPs? Just use a VPN...

      All of this is even if it gets on the agenda (and in a timely manner) above all the other stuff they want to do.

      Oh yeah, and what if the US regulates in the meantime? Then Australia will look pretty stupid when US is pushing towards regulation and Australia just bans it...

      I don't know anymore than you, these are just my personal thoughts.
    • dannywratten
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      Thanks for the input guys, i guess i'll stop panicking for now :D
      If I hear any other news i'll post here.
    • jules97
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      I think there is zero chance that when push comes to shove online poker will get banned here. It's a non issue for either party at the moment.
      It got banned in the US because their casinos have some political power, ours here don't. Maybe if it threatened the mining industry. :f_cool: This looks to me like scaremongering by some pro Rudd fanbois.

      Take a look at the prevalence of online sports betting. It's pretty much ingrained in society here now. Shit would hit the fan if politicians tried to take this away. And surely after some effort goes into understanding the differences between 'pokies', online casino games, sports betting & online poker our government can make a non retarded decision.

      I've often thought how dumb a politician would look the public if in an interview they mistook poker and 'pokies' for the same thing. It would be almost as stupid as being against the 'youth in Asia' because one thinks others shouldn't be able to take their own lives.
    • justkyle88
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      After the online American banning I'm personally not confident after reading that article.

      There are bigger issues than our Australian online market but I know little to none about politics and so confused on who to vote for?!?!?
    • Lazza61
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      Originally posted by jules97
      I think there is zero chance that when push comes to shove online poker will get banned here. It's a non issue for either party at the moment.
      It got banned in the US because their casinos have some political power, ours here don't. Maybe if it threatened the mining industry. :f_cool: This looks to me like scaremongering by some pro Rudd fanbois.

      Take a look at the prevalence of online sports betting. It's pretty much ingrained in society here now. Shit would hit the fan if politicians tried to take this away. And surely after some effort goes into understanding the differences between 'pokies', online casino games, sports betting & online poker our government can make a non retarded decision.

      I've often thought how dumb a politician would look the public if in an interview they mistook poker and 'pokies' for the same thing. It would be almost as stupid as being against the 'youth in Asia' because one thinks others shouldn't be able to take their own lives.
      I sincerely hope it is a personal view of Tony Abbott. When you go out in public saying things like "I will shutdown online poker" and "It allows people to retreat into a dark cave where they are beyond help", then it becomes worrying. I would hope he would get opposition from the Victorian members who would be aware of the boost in the local economy from the Aussie Millions and WSOP APAC.

      Casinos in the US are regulated on a state by state basis so they have very little lobbying power at Federal level. Also why would they want online poker banned when they want in. The only casinos regulated federally are the ones on Native American reservations. The Kahnawake Gaming Commission already regulates online poker sites, although they may actually be based in Canada (not sure).

      When online poker was shut down, a lot of pros moved out of Nevada to Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica and even Australia (D.J.Kelly). Which means the casinos have to rely more on tourist trade than repeat business.

      Never underestimate the ignorance of politicians. They often make decisions without knowledge of the subject they are dealing with.
    • xdowntimex
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      wow this has been very interest read although im no pro I still enjoy playing online poker , so will be following for updates
    • Lazza61
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      The latest I've heard is that the preferred model for implementation is to force Australian ISPs to block online poker sites. The view of a group representing most ISPs are vehemently opposed to it and would likely lobby and block the Liberal Party's plan.

      Another positive is that if the Liberals' get an absolute majority in the Senate, then online poker won't be high on their hit list. One reason for this is that the Liberal's are committed to dismantling some key Labour party legislation of the last 2 years. The second reason is with an absolute majority in both houses, the Liberals will be able to push all their legislation through without having to do deals with Nick Xenophon (independent anti-gambling wowser).

      I'm no pro myself but I would miss online poker and be forced to play online backgammon. They have worse bad beats than poker.

      Another positive is the stance of fellow anti-gambling advocate Independent Andrew Wilkie. Wilkie has NO PROBLEM with online poker at all. He sees the problem gambling areas for what they are - Poker Machines (Slots), horseracing and to a lesser extent sports betting.

      I am optimistic that any changes to Australia's IGA will be difficult and time consuming to implement. :]
    • Lazza61
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      Recent tweets from Joe Hachem

    • justkyle88
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      He's 100% right!!