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Raising a nut flush draw vs a Maniac

    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 10,502
      once a cow has a taste for violence, it reverts. it becomes feral.
      PokerStars Limit 5 Card Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 6 players

      UTG: $3.77
      UTG+1: $1.70
      CO: $3.08
      Button: $2.95 (Hero)
      SB: $3.90 72/50/3.6/47 60 (v/p/af/3Bet hands)
      BB: $0.67 61/0/0.2/10

      SB & BB were capping pre w/ AAxxx, and 3Betting post-draw w/ jacks up

      On seeing this hand, I thought that if even one of them 3Bets pre, I have pot odds to call. If both do, it's just gravy.

      If I hit, I can get even more, and I would not try to bluff these either of these guys unless I do.

      Dealing Hands: ($0.15) A:diamond: T:diamond: 8:diamond: 2:spade: 5:diamond: (6 players)
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, SB raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.10

      First Draw: ($0.90) (3 players)
      SB discards 3, BB discards 2, Hero discards 1,
      A:diamond: T:diamond: 8:diamond: 5:diamond: || 9:diamond:
      SB bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.40, SB raises to $0.60, BB folds, Hero ???

      Before we get into calling the post-draw 4Bet, should I have 3Bet post-draw?

      Now the 4Bet...

      Note:
      I thought afterward that vs such a certainty of being called, perhaps I should be folding these, and actually did fold the next one, although in that case I was facing a bet and raise from the same two pre-draw.

      TIA.
      --VS
  • 4 replies
    • Yadumalchtoona18let
      Yadumalchtoona18let
      Basic
      Joined: 16.04.2013 Posts: 58
      With such a notes/stats I would 12-bet postdraw.
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      In the position marked ??? yeah, you have to -- and I did.

      Remember that even bad players get good hands now and again.
      He had jacks up.

      But should you bet a nut flush draw as a semi bluff pre-draw KNOWING you're going to get raised?
    • Yadumalchtoona18let
      Yadumalchtoona18let
      Basic
      Joined: 16.04.2013 Posts: 58
      But should you bet a nut flush draw as a semi bluff pre-draw KNOWING you're going to get raised?


      With those 2 idiots I would give up even a very good flushdraw on the BTN.
      At first it may sounds weak but once you get called by 22 or 3bet/call by 66 you'll get it :)

      That's the poker...we need to adjust to our "friends".
      Sometimes we'll raise 8h flushdraw UTG, sometimes fold A flushdraw on the BTN.
    • Anykey444
      Anykey444
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      Joined: 05.02.2011 Posts: 485
      It's not a flop game so it's just Ahigh flush draw, not nut :D
      Opp could have should have AKQJ of another suite