What can you do

Hey Gizillioner

I moved your thread to the no limit forums.

Well there isn't anything you can do about it. It is never wrong to get it in with KK preflop. Well most of the time it's not. It's also never wrong to stack off the set of KK you had. I don't like the limping you did though Just keep playing them correctly and you will get payed off. It's just variance.

Bogdan made a video series about variance. I suggest you take a look into this! It's a brutal part of poker. Variance video by Bogdan

Regards

RasTweet

I limped the two black kings because of the promotion on pokerstars where u have to win them post flop to get 100BB bonus.

Also i forgot to mention 2 other hands where i got sucked out in this 20 min.

The graph basicly looks like this

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These promotions could really make you frustrated. You limp and you are so afraid to bet in case the opponents fold. And at the end their draw hits and you loose anyway. :-(

Ah yes the promotion forgot about that. I tend to not grind for something anymore. Because I start to make mistakes and lose much more then I gain with the promotion.

But what you've posted earlier it still looks like variance Keep your head up and keep playing your A-game. You're just going thru a rough patch. Maybe you can post the hands up for review? Maybe you also made a mistake somewhere?

Regards

RasTweet

The problem was i ran like this yesterday aswell when i started my session, so i was frustrated the whole day and said to myself, tomorrow is a new day. Then i wake up all happy to play allday long and today starts like this aswell.

Ok heres the first hand with AQ

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 47.6 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB: 46.6 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BB: 160.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: 196.2 BB (VPIP: 6.06, PFR: 3.03, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
UTG+1: 63.8 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
Hero (UTG+2): 100 BB
MP: 37.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP+1: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 6.67, PFR: 3.33, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 61)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.8 BB, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) 9 7 Q SB bets 3 BB, Hero raises to 9.2 BB, SB raises to 15.4 BB, Hero raises to 43.6 BB, SB calls 28 BB and is all-in

Turn%s: (94.2 BB, 2 players) 6
River%s: (94.2 BB, 2 players) 6




Here is the second, JJ

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 52.4 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 4)
SB: 47.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BB: 57.2 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: 256.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (MP): 145.8 BB
CO: 73.8 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J J

fold, Hero raises to 3.2 BB, fold, BTN calls 3.2 BB, fold, BB calls 2.2 BB

Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) J A T BB checks, Hero bets 7.2 BB, BTN calls 7.2 BB, BB calls 7.2 BB

Turn%s: (31.6 BB, 3 players) 8 BB checks, Hero bets 14.8 BB, BTN calls 14.8 BB, BB raises to 46.8 BB and is all-in, fold, BTN calls 27.2 BB and is all-in

River%s: (130.4 BB, 2 players) 2




Here is the third

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: 178.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)
BB: 109.2 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (UTG): 117.8 BB
MP: 122 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: 48.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

Hero calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 4 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB

Flop: (12.4 BB, 3 players) A 2 K BB bets 6 BB, Hero raises to 17.6 BB, fold, BB raises to 43.2 BB, Hero raises to 113.8 BB and is all-in, BB calls 62 BB and is all-in

Turn%s: (222.8 BB, 2 players) Q
River%s: (222.8 BB, 2 players) 5




Here is the forth preflop all in with KK

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: 73.8 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 94.6 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
UTG+1: 190.6 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)
UTG+2: 103.2 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 72.8 BB (VPIP: 14.10, PFR: 6.41, 3Bet Preflop: 2.94, Hands: 78)
MP+1: 135 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
CO: 104.8 BB (VPIP: 11.63, PFR: 11.63, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 43)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, UTG+2 calls 3 BB, fold, fold, CO raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 28.8 BB, fold, fold, CO raises to 104.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 71.2 BB and is all-in

Flop: (206.4 BB, 2 players) 3 T 5
Turn%s: (206.4 BB, 2 players) Q
River%s: (206.4 BB, 2 players) 9



Here is fifth

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 240.6 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
Hero (SB): 131.2 BB
BB: 111.6 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.63, PFR: 11.63, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 43)
UTG+1: 135.4 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
UTG+2: 225 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
MP: 92 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP+1: 103.6 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 40)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 21)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

fold, fold, fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, Hero raises to 10.4 BB, fold, MP calls 8.4 BB, fold

Flop: (23.8 BB, 2 players) 4 Q T Hero bets 10.4 BB, MP calls 10.4 BB

Turn%s: (44.6 BB, 2 players) 9 Hero bets 19.6 BB, MP raises to 71.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 51.6 BB

River%s: (187 BB, 2 players) 8



here is another from the 20 min session with KK, basicly lost all my the king kings i was dealt ironicly

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 125.4 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BB: 81.4 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
CO: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 3 BB

Flop: (8.4 BB, 2 players) J 9 2 BB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, BB calls 6 BB

Turn%s: (20.4 BB, 2 players) 7 BB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

River%s: (40.4 BB, 2 players) 9 BB bets 16 BB, Hero calls 16 BB



ty for comments

Oh sorry, I meant posting them up for evaluation. But I'll take a look at it as well.

Hand 1: I don't mind raising his donkbet but when he 3bets you I think you're always behind and I think folding will be better.

Hand 2: I'd bet bigger on the turn. Stacking off might be close. If he is doing it with enough 2 pair hands then it's ok.

Hand 3 & 4: Well played, I'd play it the same way.

Hand 5: You could bet bigger on the flop and turn because it's a drawy board, but I usually bet the same size as you do. Once you get raised on the turn you really should fold. There is no worse hand shoving here.

Hand 6: hmm not sure. Some will say that you should fold on the river, some say you shouldn't. The river is a really bad card though.

RasTweet

Originally posted by RasTweet
Hand 6: hmm not sure. Some will say that you should fold on the river, some say you shouldn't. The river is a really bad card though.

Snapfold turn on that card imo. When fish donks there, his hand improved on turn and we don't beat any of these hands.

maybe the AQ hand should be folded on the flop.
other than that is just bad ugly variance. i've been there and its really frustrating but there is not much you can do about it.
As RasTweet said, its usually a bad idea to play for a promotion. It kind of shifts the focus from playing the A game. Even more of a bad idea if you are not a regular zoom player.

As for the promotion, i already won both my K K yesterday and today.

One piece of advice if you decide to limp K K . If the board gets wet, try to get to SD cheaply. After all you have an extra BI as implied odds. If things gets pretty ugly, forget about the promotion and play the hand as it is dealt street by street.

Good luck!

Originally posted by kriko92

Originally posted by RasTweet
Hand 6: hmm not sure. Some will say that you should fold on the river, some say you shouldn't. The river is a really bad card though.

Snapfold turn on that card imo. When fish donks there, his hand improved on turn and we don't beat any of these hands.

Well I think he can do this w/ Jxh so I don't mind calling turn actually.

First hand, fish stack of so easily u cant fold vs them. I also thought he dosnt set mine with 45bb with 77, 99 is possible, but other then that its KQ,JQ,QT and draws so i go it in for 40bb. Probaly a misstake tho, but i really hate folding top pair top kicker or overpairs vs fish.

Second hand, i bet small on the turn because both of them had small stacks. And as of stacking of, i thought if he would want to stack of his 2 pair, he would have shoved the flop, but when he only calls flop and shoves turn, looks SUPER strong nutted.


5. Same for this one, if he calls 3 bet with KJo and flat calls flop for 25% of hes stack with a draw, why wouldnt he do that with AQ, KQ or someother crappy hand top pair hand.

6. He donked the turn and river small it smelled like top pair only. If he had 2 pair he check raise or bet bigger. So you cant give fish credit allways, their play dosnt make sense. But i almost folded the turn myself given he represented 2pair / set and specially on river, but i made a tilt call because he was a fish.

certainly made some misstakes.