Is 5cd supposed to be like that?

    • tommygecko
      tommygecko
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      Joined: 11.08.2012 Posts: 1,229
      Hi, I am quite new to 5cd. But I have some concerns.

      My AA/KK runs into two pairs, low two pairs run into higher two pairs, two pair/trips run into pat hands at a rather high frequency.

      Is 5CD supposed to be like that? Or am I just running bad?

      I see that most guides advocate raising KK/AA+ UTG. I do that but I lose most of the time, most people only call with two pair nowadays vs a UTG open (and obviously won't fold their two pair postdraw) It seems like there is a high chance that someone has two pair when 6 handed

      Could it be because I sat at a bad table with no fish? Or such strategies are outdated?
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    • SonOfSonOfSpock
      SonOfSonOfSpock
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      Joined: 01.10.2011 Posts: 78
      Originally posted by tommygecko
      Hi, I am quite new to 5cd. But I have some concerns.
      Go to DeucesCracked and download the Luck of the Draw Episode 3/4 to learn the Hand Ranges and get Doyle Brunson's Super System - A Course in Power Poker and learn the odds.

      My AA/KK runs into two pairs, low two pairs run into higher two pairs, two pair/trips run into pat hands at a rather high frequency.

      Is 5CD supposed to be like that? Or am I just running bad?
      If they have a good hand, they certainly will reraise. When you decide to call or fold you have to know your opponent hand ranges from the position he is raising.
      If the villain has re-raise your raise that comes from UTG, he knows you very well, maybe he has a Excelent hand or you're playing in High-Stakes for sure, and someone see you are new and is trying to bluff you with a Flush Draw.

      I see that most guides advocate raising KK/AA+ UTG. I do that but I lose most of the time, most people only call with two pair nowadays vs a UTG open (and obviously won't fold their two pair postdraw) It seems like there is a high chance that someone has two pair when 6 handed
      I don't think that nowadays people just call that raise with two-pairs. Almost all the time I see donks Discart 4 and calling with low pairs.
      Yes there is a high change to get two pairs in a 6 handed table, but no one should overplay two-pairs. You know why?
      Because someone can have pair of A and easily make trips or a highter two-pairs.

      Could it be because I sat at a bad table with no fish? Or such strategies are outdated?
      You need to learn the basic odds. That range is not outdated.

      You can also raise from UTG with QQ with a kicker A/K if the table is playing tight.


      Note: I suppose that you are talking about 5 Card Draw Fixed-Limit.
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Hi tommygecko,

      Although you can open AAxxx, KKxxx UTG these represent the BOTTOM of your range.

      If someone calls, draws 1 and bets post-draw, just fold unimproved.

      If you get raised by one, you can consider calling if the player is loose.
      Also you now have 5:1 pot odds, since the odds are about 2.5:1 to improve to *something*.

      Multi-way
      Quite often you see hands where UTG raises, then MP calls.

      There are now 4.5 BB in the pot, and the next player has marginal odds to call, but everyone after that has pot odds to call with a pair.

      Let's say 4 people draw 3 -- yourself included.
      vs 3 opponents the likelihood that ALL of them will MISSED is rather low.
      If only 1 opponent: 2.5:1 that he hit which means he will hit 29% of the time, and miss 71 % of the time
      The chance of the 2nd guy missing two is 0.71 x 0.71 or 0.5.
      If 2 opponents both draw 3 the chance of BOTH of them missing is down to 50 %.
      With 4 people behind you all drawing three there is 25% chance that they all miss.

      Best of luck,
      --VS
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by SonOfSonOfSpock
      I don't think that nowadays people just call that raise with two-pairs. Almost all the time I see donks Discart 4 and calling with low pairs.
      Oh, wow -- I so wish!

      Where do you play, and at what time of day?
      I rarely see such behaviour on P*s $0.10/$0.20 FL tables except maybe Friday nights.


      Yes there is a high change to get two pairs in a 6 handed table, but no one should overplay two-pairs. You know why?
      Because someone can have pair of A and easily make trips or a highter two-pairs.
      There is no question that 2pr are the trickiest.

      The best defence is -- as you say -- knowing the hand ranges.

      If you have two pair, and are facing one villain drawing 3, he has a roughly 1 in 7 chance of hitting trips and a 1 in 5 chance of hitting 2 pr -- some of which will be worse than yours.

      NOT CBetting is leaving money on the table -- isn't it?

      Great post, thanks!
      --VS

      Cheers,
      --VS
    • Yadumalchtoona18let
      Yadumalchtoona18let
      Basic
      Joined: 16.04.2013 Posts: 58
      Today aggro donk 64/52 with 70% steal, 56% 3-bet and 50% 4-bet,
      won over 50BB in 100 hands FL 0.1/0.2$ so sometimes it can be sick.
      Still It's nothing compared to LHE or Omaha...


      Hand #1
      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit 5 Card Draw - 6 players
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with K :club: 7 :diamond: 7 :club: 6 :diamond: 4 :heart:
      *Alekto13* folds, bignose333 calls, Tzarvone folds, rogerlemyre folds, checker1964 raises, Hero 3-bets, bignose333 folds, checker1964 caps!, Hero calls

      First Draw: (9 SB) (2 players)
      checker1964 draws 1, Hero draws 3
      Hand: J :heart: 7 :diamond: 7 :club: 7 :spade: 4 :spade:
      checker1964 bets, Hero raises, checker1964 3-bets, Hero caps!, checker1964 calls

      Final Pot: 12.5 BB
      checker1964 mucks Q :club: 6 :spade: 6 :heart: 5 :spade: 5 :diamond:
      Hero shows J :heart: 7 :diamond: 7 :club: 7 :spade: 4 :spade: (three of a kind, Sevens)
      Hero wins 12 BB
      (Rake: $0.10)

      Hand #2
      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit 5 Card Draw - 5 players
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with 9 :spade: 9 :club: 8 :spade: 7 :spade: 5 :club:
      bignose333 calls, Tzarvone raises, checker1964 3-bets, Hero folds, STOANLITPOL folds, bignose333 calls, Tzarvone calls

      First Draw: (10.5 SB) (3 players)
      bignose333 draws 1, Tzarvone draws 1, checker1964 draws 3
      bignose333 bets, Tzarvone raises, checker1964 3-bets, bignose333 folds, Tzarvone caps!, checker1964 calls

      Final Pot: 14.25 BB
      Tzarvone shows 3 :club: 3 :spade: 3 :heart: 2 :club: 2 :heart: (a full house, Threes full of Deuces)
      checker1964 shows K :diamond: K :club: Q :spade: Q :club: Q :heart: (a full house, Queens full of Kings)
      checker1964 wins 13.75 BB
      (Rake: $0.10)

      Hand #3
      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit 5 Card Draw - 6 players
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with A :spade: A :club: A :diamond: Q :club: 7 :spade:
      Tzarvone folds, rogerlemyre folds, checker1964 raises, Hero 3-bets, Contr7 folds, bignose333 folds, checker1964 caps!, Hero calls

      First Draw: (9.5 SB) (2 players)
      checker1964 draws 1, Hero draws 2
      Hand: A :spade: A :club: A :diamond: K :heart: T :club:
      checker1964 bets, Hero raises, checker1964 3-bets, Hero caps!, checker1964 calls

      Final Pot: 12.75 BB
      checker1964 shows K :spade: K :diamond: J :club: J :diamond: J :heart: (a full house, Jacks full of Kings)
      Hero shows A :spade: A :club: A :diamond: K :heart: T :club: (three of a kind, Aces)
      checker1964 wins 12.25 BB
      (Rake: $0.10)

      Hand #4
      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit 5 Card Draw - 6 players
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with Q :club: J :spade: T :club: 9 :spade: 9 :heart:
      DnwO-_JonkO raises, checker1964 3-bets, Hero folds, pokerwijf folds, bignose333 folds, Tzarvone folds, DnwO-_JonkO calls

      First Draw: (7.5 SB) (2 players)
      DnwO-_JonkO draws 3, checker1964 draws 1
      DnwO-_JonkO bets, checker1964 raises, DnwO-_JonkO 3-bets, checker1964 caps!, DnwO-_JonkO calls

      Final Pot: 11.75 BB
      checker1964 shows 6 :heart: 5 :club: 4 :club: 3 :spade: 2 :spade: (a straight, Deuce to Six)
      checker1964 wins 11.25 BB
      (Rake: $0.10)

      Hand #5
      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit 5 Card Draw - 6 players
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with K :diamond: T :club: 9 :club: 7 :spade: 5 :heart:
      bignose333 folds, Tzarvone raises, DnwO-_JonkO folds, checker1964 3-bets, Hero folds, pokerwijf folds, Tzarvone calls

      First Draw: (7.5 SB) (2 players)
      Tzarvone draws 3, checker1964 draws 2
      Tzarvone checks, checker1964 bets, Tzarvone raises, checker1964 3-bets, Tzarvone caps!, checker1964 calls

      Final Pot: 11.75 BB
      Tzarvone shows Q :club: Q :heart: Q :spade: T :diamond: 4 :spade: (three of a kind, Queens)
      checker1964 shows A :spade: A :club: A :diamond: A :heart: 4 :diamond: (four of a kind, Aces)
      checker1964 wins 11.25 BB
      (Rake: $0.10)

      Hand #6
      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit 5 Card Draw - 6 players
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN with K :spade: Q :club: Q :heart: 5 :club: 2 :club:
      Tzarvone folds, rogerlemyre folds, checker1964 raises, Hero 3-bets, *Alekto13* folds, bignose333 folds, checker1964 calls

      First Draw: (7.5 SB) (2 players)
      checker1964 draws 2, Hero draws 3
      Hand: Q :club: Q :heart: T :heart: T :club: 5 :diamond:
      checker1964 bets, Hero raises, checker1964 3-bets, Hero caps!, checker1964 calls

      Final Pot: 11.75 BB
      checker1964 shows A :heart: A :spade: K :club: 7 :spade: 7 :heart: (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
      Hero shows Q :club: Q :heart: T :heart: T :club: 5 :diamond: (two pair, Queens and Tens)
      checker1964 wins 11.25 BB
      (Rake: $0.10)

      Hand #7
      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit 5 Card Draw - 6 players
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with K :club: Q :spade: J :club: J :heart: 4 :diamond:
      rogerlemyre folds, checker1964 raises, Hero 3-bets, Contr7 folds, bignose333 folds, Tzarvone folds, checker1964 caps!, Hero calls

      First Draw: (9.5 SB) (2 players)
      checker1964 draws 1, Hero draws 3
      Hand: Q :heart: J :club: J :heart: 9 :club: 9 :diamond:
      checker1964 bets, Hero calls

      Final Pot: 6.75 BB
      checker1964 shows 9 :heart: 8 :diamond: 7 :spade: 6 :heart: 5 :heart: (a straight, Five to Nine)
      Hero mucks Q :heart: J :club: J :heart: 9 :club: 9 :diamond:
      checker1964 wins 6.45 BB
      (Rake: $0.06)

      and so on...

    • tommygecko
      tommygecko
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      Joined: 11.08.2012 Posts: 1,229
      Originally posted by SonOfSonOfSpock

      I don't think that nowadays people just call that raise with two-pairs. Almost all the time I see donks Discart 4 and calling with low pairs.

      Not sure if you are exaggerating, but I'm certainly not. Over the past 3 days (sat,sun and mon) I've played over 2000 hands at FL 0.1/0.2 and 0.25/0.5 and not once had I seen someone call a raise and discard 4.

      Where do you play?
    • SonOfSonOfSpock
      SonOfSonOfSpock
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.10.2011 Posts: 78
      PokerStars the same room as you. Sometimes on Full Tilt Poker. And yes I see that many times and is against that players that I lose my money.
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      OK, I'm curious now.

      So I opened PGAdmin which is the admin tool for postgresql, and entered the following query:

      code:
      select actions_pd,draw_count,netwon 
      from fcd_hands fh 
      join fcd_hands_players fhp 
      on fhp.hand_id=fh.hand_id 
      where (actions_pd like '%R%')
         and draw_count >= 4


      In 116000 hands I've played
      Broken down:
      Raised & Drew 4: 55 occurrences
      WTSD: 38
      Won: 14

      Raised & Drew 5: 20 occurrences
      WTSD: 17
      Won: 7

      one player actually called a 3Bet pre, drew 5 and won.
      3 times !

      When I get a chance I will see If I can get the winning hands.


      I personally have never done this, though I once drew 5 in the BB and drew 4 Kings. Wheee!

      Cheers,
      --VS
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 9,617
      For the curious here is the table of hand where a player raised at least once pre, and drew 4 or 5.

      I only included the ones that wtsd, since only those cards are known.

      I'm really curious to know now if I actually won against any of these!

      I'll save that for later...



      timestamp         player_id pos  act_pre  act_post  drew    won   hand_ad         hand_type_ad
      2011/09/23 22:14  408       SB   R        XC        4       0.55  8d Ks Qh Ac Kh  one pair
      2012/01/13 20:58  561       SB   RC       X         4      -0.30  5d As 3d 3h Qd  one pair
      2011/11/19 14:41  647       CO   R        X         5      -0.20  3d Kc 6c Qs 2d  high card
      2013/05/20 12:56  1110      BB   R                  4       0.12  Ad 8d Qh 4s Jd  high card
      2012/02/05 17:46  1330      D    R                  5      -0.12  As 5d 9c Kh 8d  high card
      2012/02/05 17:51  1531      EP   RC       XC        4       0.60  5c Qc 4h Qs As  one pair
      2012/02/05 17:53  1531      D    R        B         4      -0.40  4s 8c 8d 3s Kc  one pair
      2012/02/22 23:43  1779      SB   R        B         4       0.19  9s Ah Ad 3h 9h  two pair
      2012/03/14 21:03  1980      SB   R        B         4      -0.40  5s Qs Qc Kc 9s  one pair
      2012/03/14 23:21  1980      SB   RC                 4      -0.21  8c Ah Kh 3h Jc  high card
      2012/03/14 23:31  1980      SB   R        BC        4      -0.60  3s Ad 8h Jc Js  one pair
      2013/01/10 19:01  2009      EP   RC                 4      -0.30  6s As 9s 8h Ah  one pair
      2013/05/18 03:08  2319      D    RC       X         4      -0.30  Tc Ks 2c Qd 6s  high card
      2012/12/28 00:11  2518      D    R                  4      -0.11  Qs 7c 8h 4h Kh  high card
      2012/12/08 20:49  2766      CO   R        B         5       0.60  Qs 8s 6s Qc Qd  three of a kind
      2012/12/11 15:59  2839      CO   R        B         4       0.51  Ah Ad Qh Kh Qc  two pair
      2012/12/27 23:29  3113      SB   R                  4      -0.12  Kc 2s 6d 2c Ks  two pair
      2012/12/28 14:36  3136      HJ   R        X         4      -0.20  Ah 8h 7c 3s Jc  high card
      2013/01/05 21:26  3262      EP   R        R         5      -0.52  Kc Qd 7c 6c 3h  high card
      2013/01/05 21:27  3262      BB   RC       BRC       5      -1.20  Kd 7h 3h Td Ac  high card
      2013/01/05 21:28  3262      SB   RC       BRC       5       1.20  Td 2s 3h 3c 8h  one pair
      2013/01/05 21:28  3262      D    RR       RR        5       1.20  9h Tc 3c 6s Td  one pair
      2013/01/05 21:29  3262      HJ   RR       BRC       5       1.65  7c Ad 8s Th Tc  one pair
      2013/01/05 21:27  3264      HJ   RR       RR        5       1.15  9d 4c 4d 9s 2c  two pair
      2013/01/05 21:28  3264      EP   RR       RR        5      -1.20  5s 8c As 2h 4h  high card
      2013/01/05 21:28  3264      SB   RC       BRC       5      -1.20  2d Ad 8d 9d Qc  high card
      2013/01/05 21:29  3264      D    RC       RR        5      -1.20  4h Kd 6s 3h Qc  high card
      2013/01/09 21:23  3321      SB   R        X         4      -0.20  Ac 2h 6d 9c Th  high card
      2013/05/15 22:16  3397      SB   R        B         4      -0.40  As Qh 3d Kc 7c  high card
      2013/01/12 15:21  3429      HJ   R                  4      -0.20  Kc Jh 3s 5s Qs  high card
      2013/01/20 22:27  3598      SB   R                  4      -0.11  2s 7s Ad 6s Qd  high card
      2013/02/18 13:15  3914      BB   R        X         4      -0.50  5h 6d As Qs 3d  high card
      2013/02/23 12:44  4003      BB   R        C         4       0.91  5d Ah Js As 2c  one pair
      2013/04/04 22:53  4017      BB   R                  4      -0.61  Qs 5d Ts 2d 2h  one pair
      2013/03/16 13:05  4268      SB   R        B         4      -1.25  Qs Ts As Qc 3c  one pair
      2013/03/16 13:25  4269      SB   R        XC        5       1.15  2s Th Ah Ad 7s  one pair
      2013/03/16 13:36  4269      SB   R        B         4       0.91  6h As Js 9s Ah  one pair
      2013/03/22 13:37  4394      SB   R        X         4      -0.50  6h 7s 3c Kh Ah  high card
      2013/04/11 21:53  4679      EP   R        X         4      -0.50  3h Jh 2c Th Ah  high card
      2013/04/11 21:56  4679      CO   RR       XC        4       1.70  Th Qc 9h Tc As  one pair
      2013/04/11 22:00  4679      D    R        R         4       1.94  Jh Jd Ad 9c Ah  two pair
      2013/04/11 22:07  4679      CO   R        B         4      -1.00  Kh 5d As 2s 9h  high card
      2013/04/11 22:19  4679      D    R        B         4       1.01  Qh 6c 4d Ad Qd  one pair
      2013/04/14 18:06  4719      BB   R        X         5      -0.50  7h 6s 4s 9d Ac  high card
      2013/05/01 20:19  4874      BB   R        RC        4      -2.25  4d 9c Kc 4h Qh  one pair
      2013/05/12 19:32  5099      BB   R                  5       0.66  Tc 2c 8s Ts Th  three of a kind
      2013/05/18 14:46  5280      SB   R                  5      -0.15  9h Td 8d 8h 9s  two pair
      2013/06/06 20:25  5544      HJ   CR       X         4       0.37  Qd Jc Ac Kc Kh  one pair
      2013/06/08 23:33  5602      CO   RC       R         5      -0.70  Kh 6h 6c Kc 8s  two pair
      2013/06/24 19:51  5790      SB   R        BR        4       0.92  2h Ks Kh Ah Kc  three of a kind
      2013/06/24 19:52  5790      CO   R        R         4       0.78  Kd 9s Kc 9d 3s  two pair
      2013/06/24 19:54  5790      SB   R        X         4      -0.20  Kd 5s 9s Qh 3c  high card
      2013/06/24 20:01  5790      CO   R        BRC       4      -1.00  Kd 7h 5s Ac Ks  one pair
      2013/06/29 12:34  5859      CO   R        B         4      -0.40  2c 6s Ah Ac 3d  one pair
      2013/07/01 17:23  5915      EP   R        X         4      -0.20  7c 3h Ad Ts Kh  high card



      This is the complete query I used to generate the above.
      I imported the output into a text editor to pretty up the columns.

      code:
      select timestamp,player_id,
      CASE fhp.position
      	  WHEN 11 THEN 'BB'
      	  WHEN 10 THEN 'SB'
      	  WHEN 9  THEN 'EP'
      	  WHEN 5  THEN 'HJ'
      	  WHEN 0  THEN 'D '
      	  WHEN 1  THEN 'CO'
      	  ELSE 'MP'
      	 END as Position,
      actions_pd,actions_ad,draw_count,netwon,
      case (hole1_ad / 10)
        when  0 then ''
        when  10 then 'T'
        when  11 then 'J'
        when  12 then 'Q'
        when  13 then 'K'
        when  14 then 'A'
      else
        (hole1_ad / 10)::Char(1)
      End || Case (hole1_ad % 10)
        when  0 then ''
        when  1 then 'c'
        when  2 then 'd'
        when  3 then 'h'
        when  4 then 's'
      else
        (hole1_ad % 10)::char(1)
      End || ' ' || case (hole2_ad / 10)
        when  0 then ''
        when  10 then 'T'
        when  11 then 'J'
        when  12 then 'Q'
        when  13 then 'K'
        when  14 then 'A'
      else
        (hole2_ad / 10)::Char(1)
      End || Case (hole2_ad % 10)
        when  0 then ''
        when  1 then 'c'
        when  2 then 'd'
        when  3 then 'h'
        when  4 then 's'
      else
        (hole2_ad % 10)::char(1)
      End || ' ' || case (hole3_ad / 10)
        when  0 then ''
        when  10 then 'T'
        when  11 then 'J'
        when  12 then 'Q'
        when  13 then 'K'
        when  14 then 'A'
      else
        (hole3_ad / 10)::Char(1)
      End || Case (hole3_ad % 10)
        when  0 then ''
        when  1 then 'c'
        when  2 then 'd'
        when  3 then 'h'
        when  4 then 's'
      else
        (hole3_ad % 10)::char(1)
      End || ' ' || case (hole4_ad / 10)
        when  0 then ''
        when  10 then 'T'
        when  11 then 'J'
        when  12 then 'Q'
        when  13 then 'K'
        when  14 then 'A'
      else
        (hole4_ad / 10)::Char(1)
      End || Case (hole4_ad % 10)
        when  0 then ''
        when  1 then 'c'
        when  2 then 'd'
        when  3 then 'h'
        when  4 then 's'
      else
        (hole4_ad % 10)::char(1)
      End || ' ' || case (hole5_ad / 10)
        when  0 then ''
        when  10 then 'T'
        when  11 then 'J'
        when  12 then 'Q'
        when  13 then 'K'
        when  14 then 'A'
      else
        (hole5_ad / 10)::Char(1)
      End || Case (hole5_ad % 10)
        when  0 then ''
        when  1 then 'c'
        when  2 then 'd'
        when  3 then 'h'
        when  4 then 's'
      else
        (hole5_ad % 10)::char(1)
      End
       as hand_ad,
      Case ((fhp.hand_group_ad & 1966080) / 131072)
        when 1 then 'high card'
        when 2 then 'one pair'
        when 3 then 'two pair'
        when 4 then 'three of a kind'
        when 5 then 'straight'
        when 6 then 'flush'
        when 7 then 'full house'
        when 8 then 'four of a kind'
        when 9 then 'straight flush'
      else
       ((fhp.hand_group_ad & 1966080) / 131072)::char(2)
      end 
       AS hand_type_ad
      from fcd_hands fh
      join fcd_hands_players fhp
      on fhp.hand_id=fh.hand_id
      where (actions_pd like '%R%') -- OR actions_pd like '%b%
        and draw_count >=4
        and hand_group_ad is not null
      order by player_id, timestamp
      



      Have Fun!
      --VS
    • elderwon
      elderwon
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 1,729
      aha, I think we meet sometimes at the tables. :D
      Tzarvone is a reg, he/she multitables and looks for position so beware.
      It's a decent player from what I've seen
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
      Super Moderator
      Super Moderator
      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 9,617
      Originally posted by elderwon
      aha, I think we meet sometimes at the tables. :D
      Tzarvone is a reg, he/she multitables and looks for position so beware.
      It's a decent player from what I've seen
      Yes I've got a fair bit of respect for him/her
      He/she shows a good understanding of relative hand value, and also seems to understand the way I play.

      If we've met, you've been under a different name...
    • elderwon
      elderwon
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 1,729
      yes I have another nick, you too I suppose :)
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
      Super Moderator
      Super Moderator
      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 9,617
      I have several, but this is it for PokerStars
    • tommygecko
      tommygecko
      Bronze
      Joined: 11.08.2012 Posts: 1,229
      yep tzarvone obviously a reg. Haven't seen him do anything out of the ordinary though
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
      Super Moderator
      Super Moderator
      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 9,617
      Originally posted by tommygecko
      yep tzarvone obviously a reg. Haven't seen him do anything out of the ordinary though
      Hi, tommygecko
      Out of the ordinary?
      Nope :D

      But he does the ordinary very well. :f_cool:
      If he is playing, he is only almost every available table, too.
      I can manage 3 reasonably well, but more than that and I have a tough time taking notes.

      I wasn't able to play the MM NL Draw event, but I had a look when I got up and a lot of our favourite regs were in it, and several cashed.

      He wasn't one, though.
    • Yadumalchtoona18let
      Yadumalchtoona18let
      Basic
      Joined: 16.04.2013 Posts: 58
      F**k Tzarvone, SecretlyRich FTW! Tight, aggresive and... blonde! :f_p:
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
      Super Moderator
      Super Moderator
      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 9,617
      Originally posted by Yadumalchtoona18let
      F**k Tzarvone
      I'd really rather not :cooface:

      SecretlyRich sounds much nicer...