UTG raise 999xx meets strong opposition

    • VorpalF2F
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      A pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this hand
      PokerStars Limit 5 Card Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 5 players

      Button: $1.44
      SB: $0.45 <solid regular 24/16/7.5>
      BB: $5.69 <relative unknown>
      UTG: $3.93 (Hero)
      CO: $1.55 <relative unknown>

      Dealing Hands: ($0.15) 9:club: 9:diamond: 3:diamond: 9:spade: 4:club: (5 players)
      Hero raises to $0.20, CO raises to $0.30, Button folds, SB raises to $0.40, BB calls $0.30, Hero ???

      Although I've only seen them this session, the two unknowns have not yet shown down crap, nor yet been caught bluffing.

      SB is also not known for bluffing or snowing.
  • 8 replies
    • jbpatzer
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      You're getting 7 to 1, plus another bet if you fill up, so I'd just call, draw two, and see whether anyone stands pat.
    • VorpalF2F
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      Yeah, I figured that would be the answer.

      I folded it.

      SB had a pat FH, which I beat had I filled up.



      A pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this hand
      PokerStars Limit 5 Card Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 5 players

      Button: $1.44
      SB: $0.45
      BB: $5.69
      UTG: $3.93 (Hero)
      CO: $1.55

      Dealing Hands: ($0.15) 9:club: 9:diamond: 3:diamond: 9:spade: 4:club: (5 players)
      Hero raises to $0.20, CO raises to $0.30, Button folds, SB raises to $0.40, BB calls $0.30, Hero folds, CO calls $0.10

      First Draw: ($1.40) (3 players)
      SB stands, BB discards 2, CO discards 2, SB bets $0.05 and is all-in, BB calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05

      SB showed 8:club: 5:heart: 5:diamond: 5:club: 8:spade: , a full house, Fives full of Eights
      BB mucked 2 T T T Q
      CO mucked 6 6 3 7 6
      SB won $1.48
      (Rake: $0.07)

      Seat 4: Menielle (big blind) mucked [2c: Th: Ts: Tc: Qd:]
      Seat 5: VorpalF2F folded before the Draw
      Seat 6: simba_cia mucked [6h: 6c: 3h: 7s: 6d:]
    • SonOfSonOfSpock
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      I agree with jbpatzer

      SB was with a low stake, he might just want to try is luck.
    • elderwon
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      What are the odds of filling up?
      Do they exceed your 7:1 odds?

      I like to calculate the % instead of odds.
      If you call you'd need more than 13% = 0.2$/1.5$

      the chances of making a full house or quads are:
      1/47+(1/46+3/46) = about 11%

      Do I calculate this correctly jbpatzer? :D

      You don't get 13% so a fold is in order if I'm correct.
    • Yadumalchtoona18let
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      There are implied odds postdraw and seriously...24/16 is not a 50/3, so sometimes you are ahead (I'm pretty sure he is capping 222 here)

      well... actually on FL 0.1/0.2 unknown 3-bet > reg 4-bet :)
    • elderwon
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      I don't agree.
      On 0.1/0.2, I don't see much loose 4 betting tbh

      And what was the sample on the villain?
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by elderwon
      I don't agree.
      On 0.1/0.2, I don't see much loose 4 betting tbh

      And what was the sample on the villain?
      On the "solid regular" several hundred hands.

      I also rarely see 4Betting at $0.10/$0.20 unless they have at least a pat hand.

      I thought that when Yadumalchtoona18let said, "actually on FL 0.1/0.2 unknown 3-bet > reg 4-bet" he meant that when an unknown 3Bets he is showing a stronger hand than when a reg 4Bets -- and I think I agree.

      I think that this hand might have been the first time in 100K hands that I folded trips pre-draw w/o a misclick being involved.

      The odd thing is that I misread both the unknown and the reg, but came to the right conclusion: I was beat, with little chance of success. As jb points out, I have *barely* break-even pot odds, but only if you include the implied post-draw action.

      Cheers,
      --VS
    • elderwon
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      I see his and your point but on those stakes, imho it's of marginal importance.
      I think it's gonna be different at 0.5/1 and up.