Terrible downswing

    • kjayscopio
      kjayscopio
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      Hi All,

      Looking for some advise on how to weather the storm, its just been brutal this month, might not even have a bank roll to speak off if things keep going like this. I mainly play HUsng's and the amount of beats I'm getting lately are just unbearable. I'm out-playing my opponent until they're left with 6BB's or less then it starts they miracurously start coming back will just post a few examples of a match I had just a few minutes ago.


      No Limit Hold'em Tournament T10/T20
      Buy-in: $6.85+$0.15 USD Hold'em No Limit
      PokerStars
      2 players
      Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

      Stacks:
      BTN - BTN (T90)
      BB - Hero (T910)

      Preflop: (T30, 2 players) Hero is BB with 8:club: K:spade:
      BTN raises to T90 (all-in), Hero calls T70

      Flop: 3:diamond: T:club: T:spade:
      Turn: 9:club: (T180, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: 5:club: (T180, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Total Pot: T180
      Hero shows 8:club: K:spade: (a pair of Tens)
      BTN shows 8:diamond: T:heart: (three of a kind, Tens)

      BTN wins T180



      No Limit Hold'em Tournament T10/T20
      Buy-in: $6.85+$0.15 USD Hold'em No Limit
      PokerStars
      2 players
      Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking

      Stacks:
      BTN - BTN (T220)
      BB - Hero (T780)

      Preflop: (T30, 2 players) Hero is BB with A:spade: A:diamond:
      BTN raises to T220 (all-in), Hero calls T200

      Flop: 9:club: J:club: Q:diamond:
      Turn: 6:heart: (T440, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: K:spade: (T440, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Total Pot: T440
      Hero shows A:spade: A:diamond: (a pair of Aces)
      BTN shows 5:heart: T:diamond: (a straight, Nine to King)

      BTN wins T440

      No Limit Hold'em Tournament T15/T30
      Buy-in: $6.85+$0.15 USD Hold'em No Limit
      PokerStars
      2 players
      Formatted by pokercopilot.com - Mac OS X hand history analysis and tracking


      Stacks:
      BTN - BTN (T460)
      BB - Hero (T540)

      Preflop: (T30, 2 players) Hero is BB with K:spade: K:heart:
      BTN raises to T60, Hero raises to T120, BTN raises to T460 (all-in), Hero calls T340

      Flop: 8:spade: 2:heart: 4:spade:

      Turn: 6:diamond: (T920, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: 8:club: (T920, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Total Pot: T920
      Hero shows K:spade: K:heart: (two pair, Kings and Eights)
      BTN shows 4:diamond: 4:heart: (a full house, Fours full of Eights)

      BTN wins T920



      Now I know bad beats happen and they're part of the game. But how do you survive when its like this 4 out of every six 6 games that you play? I just can't seem to catch a break. I've had to drop down levels and back to the micros. Just wondering what you guys do to get through a long downswing without going bust? Thanks.
  • 17 replies
    • cozacu
      cozacu
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      Read and work with the Mental Game of Poker (volume 1).
      Reevaluate your game.
      Force your self to FOCUS on how well you play and how you improve both technical and mental game and try not to think about the outcome of a specific month, ofc when necessary drop down in stakes.
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 8,910
      +1

      I've been busted back from NL 10 to NL 4 and hovering on the edge of NL 2.

      I would suggest that you try to focus on the mechanics of the decision process, but I think that HUSnGs might be not the right place for that.

      Is there any value to play a lower-variance game for a bit to help get back to a healthier mindset?

      Cheers,
      --VS
    • Saren113
      Saren113
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      Hyper turbos is no good :( , you need atleast 200x bis, to be safe.
    • kjayscopio
      kjayscopio
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      @cozanu thanks for the suggestion I haven't really spent a lot of time on the mental aspects compared to the technical parts. I think that's what might be lacking. Will definitely look into that. Thanks

      @vorpal thanks a lot for the reply. HUsng is low variance compared to other sng's and mtt not sure about cash games though (so I've heard). But I really find it hard betting actual money lol. That's why I prefer the tournament form. I really enjoy playing HUsng's too the mental aspects of it and never burn out. But I think I need to regroup and take a bit of time off maybe will take your suggestion and try other forms 2NL perhaps. Thanks :)
    • kjayscopio
      kjayscopio
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      @saren113 I usually played with 100bi perhaps I need to increase the amount.
    • Wriggers
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      In HU Hypers variance can be fairly brutal, but as long as you follow a strict BRM system you shouldn't ever go bust, unless you're a losing player obviously.

      Just play your game, study and improve to push every edge you can get and be thankful that you're experiencing the variance for a first time at the micros, rather than running good and then hitting your first hard patch at the midstakes.
    • kjayscopio
      kjayscopio
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      thanks @wriggers yeah variance is brutal. I went and got mental game of poker started reading it yesterday. I also won one of those HU shoot out mtt yesterday so that helped my bankroll greatly and can go back to 7s and 15s. But I'll take the week of just to read the book.
    • thirit2
      thirit2
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      If you think negative, negative things happen.
    • xHobox
      xHobox
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      put in more volume.
    • Wriggers
      Wriggers
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      I'd like to see your definition of bad beats if these aren't :D

      @OP, here's some first hand proof that the runbad doesn't last forever:

      The last few months on $15s:




      This month on $30s:

    • xHobox
      xHobox
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      @Wriggles. goto my blog hobos yard scroll down till u see where i put howto play pocket queens.Note those hands where at the start of my session about 7 tourneys apart.
    • thirit2
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      Originally posted by Wriggers
      I'd like to see your definition of bad beats if these aren't :D

      @OP, here's some first hand proof that the runbad doesn't last forever:

      The last few months on $15s:




      This month on $30s:

      Nice graph that's crushing nice job
    • kjayscopio
      kjayscopio
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      Originally posted by Wriggers
      I'd like to see your definition of bad beats if these aren't :D

      @OP, here's some first hand proof that the runbad doesn't last forever:

      The last few months on $15s:




      This month on $30s:

      Wow thats a really nice graph! All hypers? How's the competition at the 30s? I've been running quite well this week surprisingly lol
    • Wriggers
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      Haha thanks, can't take all the credit, variance has been kind to me.

      $30s is pretty easy tbh, there are a few decent regs but if you get lobbies you mostly get tilting lower stakes regs and general recreational players. Atm the only good players sitting me are a few good 5% ROI regs who will play anyone and some $60s moving down for volume
    • belthazorrrr
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      you have no idea what downswing is
    • adigator89
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      Its part of the game i suppose.. I used to play a lot in BWIN and i stopped playing there because of really bad beats for me where i lost around 2500 $ ..
      had A3 flop was ( AA3 ) and the other guy pushed me all in for around 800 $ on flop, I had to call because i have the best full house .. the he showed up ( JJ ) and he the turn and river were ( J J ) where i lost to runner runner cards where he had no clue..
      Thats a bad beat.. but part of game..

      In SnG , you cant change the factor that a player pushes all in with a K or A or Q or sometimes 10 high card .. and u can avoid it that you might have 9 A and he will be having 4 Q and he will push , u call ( your call is correct ) but if he hit a 4 or Q .. u are really in bad shape.. but as long as you are playing correct, its ok..
      Evaluate every wrong calls you make ..thats more importat , losing when u are)

      Better luck for the future
    • mandaniz
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      kill ev!