The Real 5 Card Draw

    • SonOfSonOfSpock
      SonOfSonOfSpock
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      Hey,


      Lets talk about the real 5 Card Draw.

      5 Card Draw Fixed-Limit:

      I open a High Stakes table of 5 Card Draw Fixed-Limit and is just stupid in my opinion. Is just playing with the hand ranges and aggressively all the time.
      One day you have lucky and win other day you lose a lot. It's just pray for luck.


      5 Card Draw Pot-Limit:

      This is a very different game but the fact that you can't see any card of your opponent, you don't have any 100% idea of what cards does the opponet have is just crazy.
      5 Card Draw Pot-Limit is a game of skills and tells but it continues to be Draw.


      What makes you play 5 Card Draw?

      Me is because is a very simple game compared to other variances. Is a nice game to play with friends nothing else.



      The Real Poker Game:

      I think that Stud is the greatest Poker game ever.
      Is so complex, so mathematical, so full of fellings and brain that it takes to much study and brains to know how this game really is. I'm a bad Stud player, I put too much trust in luck a factor that I claim to be non-existent in Stud.
      It is an amazing game and I'm sorry not to play as well as I play 5 Card Draw, but i'm trying to change that reading some nice articles on 2+2 and the David "Cheep" Reese article in Super System.


      As Mike Caro's says: "Stud is the most Poker profitable game if well played."


      Tell me what do you think?
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    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      I actually like FL 5-Card Draw.

      I think that the edge goes to knowing
        the relative value of each of the hands
        the importance of position
        when and how to bluff profitably
        when and how to bluff catch profitably -- and when not to.

      Yes there is luck involved, but as you play against the same people day after day you get to know what to do and when.

      I do well at stud on the play money tables.
      Not so much real money.

      I had intended on playing 100K hands of 5-Card Draw as a project, and I've now exceeded that, but like I say I enjoy it.

      I might do stud next -- but it would be 7-Card, and probably not Hi/Lo

      Razz looks like loads of fun too, and 2-7 triple draw seems like luckbox heaven to me.

      I read Mike Caro's section of SuperSystem but it doesn't really apply nowadays, since it involves a joker, and antes.

      5-Card Draw with antes is about all there was when I was growing up -- it seems like that is "Poker" and all the rest are just variations.

      I have played 5-Card Draw on line up to $3/$6 but I found the $1/$2 and up just filled with hyper aggro types.

      When they come down to $0.10/$0.20 though, I can handle them, and will call (or raise) them, but I have a hard time doing that at $1/$2. When $2 means as little to me as $0.20 then I'll probably do OK at $1/$2

      Cheers,
      --VS
    • WillinPompano
      WillinPompano
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      Joined: 16.11.2017 Posts: 4
      In limit poker, all hi-lo games reward skill to a greater extent than all hi-only games (or lo-only games). So the best game in the stud family is hi-lo seven card stud. And the best variant of _that_ is the variant where you declare hi or lo by holding a chip or no chip or two chips in your hand over the table and all declaring at once. Now, you won't see a live casino spreading that game because of the fear of collusion or simple use of chip-manipulation to change ones declaration once one has glimpsed what the opponents were doing. However, it would be very easy to install a set of hi/lo/both buttons in the software and I am surprised no online site has done that yet. It was one of the most common variants in serious private poker games before the poker boom. I was once the only one going hi or the only one going lo eleven times in a row and I was not cheating or colluding. Observing the betting and the up cards make escaping for half the pot rather easy a lot of the time.

      Five-Card Draw is a great no-limit game and I think it would be good pot-limit also.
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Hi WillinPompano,
      Welcome to PokerStrategy.com!

      Why not take a moment to Introduce yourself -- let us know where you're from, what type of poker you like and so on.

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      Originally posted by WillinPompano
      Five-Card Draw is a great no-limit game and I think it would be good pot-limit also.
      PokerStars has NL and PL 5-Card Draw, cash and now sadly only NL and PL 5-Card Draw tournaments.

      I do much better at FL 5-Card Draw games. I do agree about the Hi/Lo games though. Lately I've been playing PLO8 and liking it. The NL08 tournaments are all about stack size it seems.

      All the best,
      VS
    • CptJokerFish
      CptJokerFish
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      Originally posted by VorpalF2F
      When they come down to $0.10/$0.20 though, I can handle them, and will call (or raise) them, but I have a hard time doing that at $1/$2.
      --VS
      In this case u should not play $1/$2 because u are money scared. :f_rolleyes:
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by CptJokerFish
      Originally posted by VorpalF2F
      When they come down to $0.10/$0.20 though, I can handle them, and will call (or raise) them, but I have a hard time doing that at $1/$2.
      --VS
      In this case u should not play $1/$2 because u are money scared. :f_rolleyes:
      Quite correct. If you look at the original post, right after the part you quoted I mention that "When $2 means as little to me as $0.20 then I'll probably do OK at $1/$2" The post you quoted was written 4 years ago -- how time flies! -- and I'm pretty much OK at the upper limits now.

      I still won't play with less than 5 at a table -- I watched two well-respected players playing FL $30/$60 HU earlier this week.
      They started out even with about $350 stacks (seems too low to me) and after an hour they were even again, but with well less than that -- around $325

      Rake wins!

      Cheers,
      VS
    • WillinPompano
      WillinPompano
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      OMG, $350 is about half of what I'd want to put on the table in that game, and that is talking minimum. You are certainly right about the rake.
    • VorpalF2F
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      Yeah, for limit games 6 big bets is the absolute minimum -- just in case it caps before and after the draw.
      I used to sit down with 12, but I upped it to 40 to accommodate stud tables.

      It always amazes me when people sit down at a 5-Card Draw table with 3 big bets.
      If that's all they can afford, they shouldn't be playing poker!

      Cheers,
      VS