[NL2-NL10] nl10 btn 87o

    • dalmar469
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      CO: $22.14 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 1,6, Hands: 80
      Hero (BTN): $10.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 4,5, Hands: 151986
      SB: $10.10 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 2,3, Hands: 781
      BB: $10.37 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 13, 3B: 6, AF: 1,5, Hands: 40

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 8 :club: 7 :diamond:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.20, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.85) 8 :spade: 6 :heart: A :club: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $0.55, BB calls $0.55

      Turn: ($1.95) 9 :spade: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($1.95) 5 :club: (2 players)
      BB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.10, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $1.90

      Preflop: sb is a somewhat nit and bb is a fish. IP vs min 3bet I'm never folding. OOP vs min 3bet I would fold

      Flop: bet or not? Can you please tell me pros and cons?
      What I can think of:

      pros
      - easier to play a hand
      - get more information about a hand. If he calls I'm done with a hand most of the time
      - preflop he could min 3bet with somewhat wide range. He's 33/13 3bet 6,3 40 hands but that's too small sample to be sure about his 3bet range

      cons
      - prob don't have fe ( for my hand it doesn't matter if he's got JJ-KK or AK type my equity is the same 23,2%)
      so needed fold eq 0,55/(0,85 + 0,55)= 39% * 76,7% ~30% good?
      Players usually cbet for value this kind of boards + they will cbet if they miss but vs him who knows.
      - He doesn't fold better hands so basicaly I need to barrel turn and the river If I want him to fold TT-KK

      Turn: not much I can do

      River: I prob missed value. His 3bet totally confused me. He doesn't have set of 8, 6. He could maybe have set of 9, A, some 7x and T7. I don't expect him to have a bluff here ever.
  • 9 replies
    • kymupa
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      Hello,

      Are you calling almost your whole range against a small 3bet? Because with this hand we are very close to the bottom of our range and I wouldn't mind folding it.

      I think betting the flop is good here. We need to realize however that he is probably not folding TT-KK against one bet and I wouldn't try to fold those but I am happy if he folds his KQ stuff.

      Checking back the turn is good.

      I think river should be raise/shove.
      I do expect him to overplay some top pair or better type of hands and in this spot I prefer going broke.

      Best,
      Plamen
    • dalmar469
      dalmar469
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      Originally posted by kymupa


      Are you calling almost your whole range against a small 3bet? Because with this hand we are very close to the bottom of our range and I wouldn't mind folding it.

      Plamen
      I think I'm not calling with my whole range. He appears to be passive villain. I expect him to have stronger range when he 3bets but can't be sure. I would fold like Q3o, small Kxo hands which would be dominated by his 3bet and I would call that min 3bet with almost every suited connectors, 1-gap, 2-gap, 3gap suited. I have implied odds.
      Actually, how wide should I open on the btn considered this situation?
      And coach can you check is this correct equation?-> ( for my hand it doesn't matter if he's got JJ-KK or AK type my equity is the same 23,2%)
      so needed fold eq 0,55/(0,85 + 0,55)= 39% * 76,7% ~30% good?
    • dalmar469
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      forgot to put offsuit connectors. Call with 1 gap, 2gap, 3gap not
    • kymupa
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      Hey,

      I think folding Qxo/Kxo and such is good.

      87o is borderline (I'd probably fold 76o) but I wouldn't mind calling 87o.

      Also, why are you multiplying the needed fold equity to the equity he has?
    • dalmar469
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      Watched some videos about equity and fe. Anyway, how should it be done
    • kymupa
      kymupa
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      Well, this is the first time that I've seen this approach.

      Mathematically, this appears to be fine because it describes pretty well the needed fold equity but the main problem here is how much equity exactly we do have but I think that overall it is good.

      Could you please link me the video because you caught my interest.
    • dalmar469
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      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/15123/
    • dalmar469
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      I was not puting all his range in equation just his main hands.
    • kymupa
      kymupa
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      Well it'd be hard to determine his range well since we have just 40 hands on him but I think your calculation is good.