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[NL20-NL50] NL25 SH Zoom AJ spew?

    • SPeedFANat1c
      SPeedFANat1c
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      Joined: 04.01.2009 Posts: 5,150
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      NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
      SB ($35.52)
      BB ($10.63)
      UTG ($20.06)
      Hero ($25.35)
      CO ($31.92)
      BTN ($29.68)

      Dealt to Hero A:heart: J:spade:

      fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO raises to $2, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $5.50, CO calls $3.50

      FLOP ($11.35) K:heart: 2:club: J:club:

      Hero checks, CO checks

      TURN ($11.35) K:heart: 2:club: J:club: 4:club:

      Hero checks, CO bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

      RIVER ($26.35) K:heart: 2:club: J:club: 4:club: 3:diamond:

      Hero checks, CO bets $17.50, Hero calls $12.35 (AI)

      Hero shows A:heart: J:spade:
      (Pre 28%, Flop 1.9%, Turn 0.0%)

      CO shows K:diamond: K:club:
      (Pre 72%, Flop 98.1%, Turn 100.0%)

      CO wins $49.05

      20/20, 3bet 25 (8) 21h

      TUrn - I showed weakness on flop so he now has good spot to bluff. And his sizing looks bluffy because I think if he wants value, he is not betting that big when he saw weakness.

      BUt later I am thinking - this mightg be because he wants to set up good pot for river bet.

      River I feel I am beat becasue on such card there is no bluffs and the moeny left in the stack is not so big.

      But called because remember sayings - this does not have to work so often - about 1/4 of the time. And then why I called turn to fold river..

      But I think I can answer why call turn, fold river - because on turn there might be bluffs, on river its 99% I am beat :D
  • 3 replies
    • w34z3l
      w34z3l
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      Joined: 03.08.2009 Posts: 13,332
      Hey SpeedFANat1c,

      Generally folding preflop is going to be fine here. Focusing too much on the price you get can often be a mistake, given that you set yourself up to lose a much larger amount postflop with hands that suffer from reverse implieds.

      I guess you can 4-bet bluff, although vs most guys it's totally unnecessary since they don't 3bet light COvsMP in the first place so you are unlikely to have much fold equity.

      Flop check is fine. Think you can check/fold turn. If you do check/call turn, that doesn't mean you have to check/call river. Like you mention, if opponent has a high bluffing frequency on turn but never bluffs on river then of course check/call turn and check/fold river is the most optimal line.
    • SherlockHolmes2ez
      SherlockHolmes2ez
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      Joined: 04.03.2012 Posts: 334
      Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
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      BTN ($29.68)

      Dealt to Hero A:heart: J:spade:

      fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO raises to $2, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $5.50, CO calls $3.50

      FLOP ($11.35) K:heart: 2:club: J:club:

      Hero checks, CO checks

      TURN ($11.35) K:heart: 2:club: J:club: 4:club:

      Hero checks, CO bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

      RIVER ($26.35) K:heart: 2:club: J:club: 4:club: 3:diamond:

      Hero checks, CO bets $17.50, Hero calls $12.35 (AI)

      Hero shows A:heart: J:spade:
      (Pre 28%, Flop 1.9%, Turn 0.0%)

      CO shows K:diamond: K:club:
      (Pre 72%, Flop 98.1%, Turn 100.0%)

      CO wins $49.05

      20/20, 3bet 25 (8) 21h

      TUrn - I showed weakness on flop so he now has good spot to bluff. And his sizing looks bluffy because I think if he wants value, he is not betting that big when he saw weakness.

      BUt later I am thinking - this mightg be because he wants to set up good pot for river bet.

      River I feel I am beat becasue on such card there is no bluffs and the moeny left in the stack is not so big.

      But called because remember sayings - this does not have to work so often - about 1/4 of the time. And then why I called turn to fold river..

      But I think I can answer why call turn, fold river - because on turn there might be bluffs, on river its 99% I am beat :D
      I think if he calls 4 bet preflop, he usually hit that flop most of the time, the only hand he could have and be bluffing with it could be AQ with ace of clops, but players don't call 4 bet often with AQ offsuit and you have one blocker for Ax's.
    • SPeedFANat1c
      SPeedFANat1c
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      Generally folding preflop is going to be fine here.


      cannot say that they dont 3bet light. I feel they do. We just dont see all of it when we fold to 3bets.

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      Hero ($25)
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      BTN ($26.14)

      Dealt to Hero K:club: K:spade:

      fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO raises to $1.70, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.95

      FLOP ($3.75) 8:heart: 3:club: 4:heart:

      Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero raises to $6.80, CO calls $4.30

      TURN ($17.35) 8:heart: 3:club: 4:heart: 4:club:

      Hero bets $8.30, CO raises to $41.50, Hero calls $8.20 (AI)

      RIVER ($50.35) 8:heart: 3:club: 4:heart: 4:club: 2:spade:

      Hero shows K:club: K:spade:
      (Pre 68%, Flop 74.6%, Turn 70.5%)

      CO shows 8:club: A:club:
      (Pre 32%, Flop 25.4%, Turn 29.5%)

      Hero wins $48.35


      But I agree that its not std 3bet from them, but if he has hand like JJ, vs 4bet he also migtth feel its strong now. And just call and give me oportunityt to hit some equity.

      I think if he calls 4 bet preflop, he usually hit that flop most of the time, the only hand he could have and be bluffing with it could be AQ with ace of clops, but players don't call 4 bet often with AQ offsuit and you have one blocker for Ax's.

      I agree. Somehow was feeling that foldign might be too weak on turn after showing weakness.