[NL20-NL50] nl25 btn K3s

    • dalmar469
      dalmar469
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      Party Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2270747
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      SB: $38.94 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 19, 3B: 4, AF: 4,5, Hands: 75
      BB: $27.18 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 3,3, Hands: 93
      UTG: $16.46 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 2,9, Hands: 113
      CO: $30.17 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 10, AF: 1,7, Hands: 162
      Hero (BTN): $25.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 4,5, Hands: 156439

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with K :spade: 3 :spade:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, SB raises to $1.54, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold

      Preflop: should I be more inclined to 4bet vs regs esp if they don't know me. I thought that in these spots co vs btn, btn vs sb, sb vs bb they will give me more credit if I 4bet + I have a blocker to KK, AK combos. Sizing?
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    • Dawidas888
      Dawidas888
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      Hi dalmar

      I think your 4bet is not bad, but you may have better hands in your range to 4bet with. This depends on how much of their 3bets do you call. When you know your calling range and your value 4betting range then you could have a 4bet bluffing range. I have a wide calling range in BU vs blinds spots but I still don't 4bet as wide as K3s.

      David
    • dalmar469
      dalmar469
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      Originally posted by Dawidas888


      When you know your calling range and your value 4betting range then you could have a 4bet bluffing range.

      David
      Nice. Thanks dawidas. This sentence you said is of great importance to me. Yes, this is too wide and postflop will lead to a spew a lot
    • Alan883
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      For me first question is if you always open 2BB from BTN. Blinds will defend often vs 2BB opener. It depends on villain if your 4bet is good or not. Vs reg who 3bet light and can fold to 4bet it is otherwise it is not. Maybe we can also check how often villian fold to steals. If he has FTS like 90% we can def suspect his range is pretty strong.

      Aslo this guy has 3bet stat of only 4% so his 3betting range is pretty tight but for sure it is not that tight as that number say us since we are BTN vs SB and we opened just with 2BB. Maybe we can also check how often villian fold to steals. If he has FTS like 90% we can def suspect again his range is pretty strong.

      I would still just fold that one and wait for some more info.

      Maybe also a word about spew postflop...with hand like that you don't need to spew. If he calls your 4bet you can simply give up your hand since his range is so strong that he will almost never fold to your cbet. If you believe that with your 4bet bluff you do instant profit you don't have to spew postflop otherwise it is better not to do those 4bet bluffs if we feel uncomfortable playing them postflop.
    • dalmar469
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      Alan tnx for comments. BB is a huge fish (74/0). Vs him I widen my opening range cos it's so profitable to play vs loose passive fish. His 74/0 tells me that it's no reason to 3x cos pots will get bigger by each betting street. If I hit strong i can always bet big or overbetting and still get called. I would 3x stronger hands cos he doesn't care 1x additional.

      About sb 3bet. I have only 75 hands on him so his 4% 3bet doesn't tell me much. Same goes for FTS stats. I think that only vpip/pfr stats are somwhat reliable.

      Yes, you are right about postflop spew.

      Now when I see his 3bet and that he fold it I can prob categorize his playing hands into a pure value hands that 3bet/5bet and thin value hands with which he 3bet/fold to 4bet. He rarely has bluffs cos the bb fish is calling a lot and it gives me good odds to overcall so he will stuck in those postflop situations where he's forced to play it directly. Now I don't like 4bet so much
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
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      Hi Dalmar,

      Just to add a few other things to what's been said.

      The bet sizings used (both by you and the 3-bet) are small which means that your 4-bet will be small and it's getting close to the size of a 3-bet (14 BB). Thus you should expect a lot more flats and even some small 5 bet bluffs.

      So you have to ask yourself, do you want to be caught postflop in a bigger pot with K3s?
    • Alan883
      Alan883
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      Originally posted by dalmar469

      BB: $27.18 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 3,3, Hands: 93
      You said BB is 74/0...is there something wrong?
    • dalmar469
      dalmar469
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      My bad, I was watching hand in a replayer of hm2. i thought the same one but it turned i watched another one. :f_mad: