death sin of all in Fixed Limit

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    • kozzaki
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      ) no

      - sometimes you are drawing dead.
      - sometimes pot is too small (unopened pot, the plop was checked ... )
      - sometimes your outs are op's outs to catch Full Hous or like this
      - sometimes you may lose if Op has better kicker
      - sometimes you are sure that it will be the raise behind your turn
      ....

      like this
    • taavi1337
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      yup it is a dead sin and I do it sometimes on purpose
    • Boomer2k10
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      Let's just say I'd need a VERY good reason to fold it

      Outside of an extreme board situation , i.e. board double paired/4-of-a-kind or something I can't really think of many spots where I'm folding an OESD or FD for one bet on the turn

      Even in a limped pot you're still getting 2-1 often with at least your FD/OESD outs, sometimes more and some implied odds for hitting on the river.

      But unless the circumstances are extreme folding an OESD/FD on the turn for one bet is going to be terrible the vast majority of the time it's done.
    • Avataren
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      Originally posted by taavi1337
      yup it is a dead sin and I do it sometimes on purpose
      as always you rock my friend +1 :D <3 mucho luv to you.
    • Avataren
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      Originally posted by Boomer2k10
      Let's just say I'd need a VERY good reason to fold it

      Outside of an extreme board situation , i.e. board double paired/4-of-a-kind or something I can't really think of many spots where I'm folding an OESD or FD for one bet on the turn

      Even in a limped pot you're still getting 2-1 often with at least your FD/OESD outs, sometimes more and some implied odds for hitting on the river.

      But unless the circumstances are extreme folding an OESD/FD on the turn for one bet is going to be terrible the vast majority of the time it's done.
      thanks that proved my point in my arguement :D
    • cjheigl
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      I think with 1-card draws it is relatively common to fold on the turn with a flush draw or an oesd when you have the impression that you could be drawing dead and/or you have reverse implied odds.

      Examples:

      You: 97s. Board QJTx. Preflop Action: one or more raises, more than one opponent. This kind of oesd is no better than a bad gutshot. You are dead if someone has AK. You definitely have reverse implied odds if you hit.

      You: low 1-card flush draw on a 3-flush board with more than 2 opponents. Most likely you are not drawing to the best hand. Sometimes this is playable if the odds are good and if you are able to play cf river when you hit your flush.
    • Avataren
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      the situation im talking about is

      HU POT
      one raises one calls preflop
      bet / calls flop
      bet / ?????? on the turn.


      you should never in a million years fold an open ender or Flush draw in that spot.

      when the board is something like 76x
      and you got 89 or 54
    • taavi1337
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      and you should also not fold AA preflop very often
    • Boomer2k10
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      Originally posted by taavi1337
      and you should also not fold AA preflop very often
    • Avataren
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      Originally posted by taavi1337
      and you should also not fold AA preflop very often
      im sorry but im in love <3 :D
    • kavboj84
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      Thou shalt not steal, sayeth the lawd.

      So not openfolding 100% of your steal ranges is the most sinful act you could do. Especially when I'm behind you :]
    • taavi1337
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      And my mother doesn't like that I play poker, so maybe I should quit.
    • Avataren
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      Originally posted by taavi1337
      And my mother doesn't like that I play poker, so maybe I should quit.
      do not ever quit poker !! :D Don't listen to your mom !
    • ambitny
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      quit, no money in poker, everyone is solid.
      @Avataren - u wanted me to have a little chat with u, wahts up?