A10 NL200 Live

    • sandhu31
      sandhu31
      Basic
      Joined: 07.08.2013 Posts: 2
      Hey guys, this was a hand I played at the local casino last night (1/2NL), wondering if I could have played it better:

      Hero(Button): A10 offsuit and a $220 stack
      Villain(Cutoff): $250 stack

      Pre Flop: Everyone folds to Villain who limps, Hero raises to $14, Blinds fold, Villain calls

      Flop ($31): 7spades J clubs 10diamonds
      -Villain checks, Hero fires $30, Villain calls

      Turn ($91): 2clubs
      -Villain checks, Hero checks

      River ($91): 8hearts
      -Villain fires $50, Hero folds

      What do you guys think?
  • 5 replies
    • legand73
      legand73
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      Joined: 01.06.2010 Posts: 4,136
      Hey sand

      Just moved your thread to 'No limit'. Might be a more suitable spot for it.

      Regards,
      Luke
    • sandhu31
      sandhu31
      Basic
      Joined: 07.08.2013 Posts: 2
      bump
    • DrDunne
      DrDunne
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      Joined: 29.12.2010 Posts: 3,378
      hmm given that villain limped he's obviously a bad player. what is the reason for cbetting so huge on the flop? do you think villain will call you with a worse pair? because i can't see how a worse Tx hand can call vs such a big bet. instead i think you isolate yourself against Jx hands.

      your hand is pretty weak, and if you bet the flop then it's gunna be pretty hard to get to SD if you take the line that you did. instead you could cbet the flop smaller (~$18-$24), barrel the turn and check back the river. if he leads river after you bet twice then we have a really easy fold and if he checks then we can take our free showdown. i really like this line if you expect villain to be a huge loose-passive whale. the only problem is if he has any brain cells then you are probably turning your hand into a bluff when you barrel.

      an alternative line would be to check back the flop and bet the turn for a free showdown and give up vs any other aggression. your hand is vulnerable of course, but the thing is you only have middle pair so you can't exactly win a huge pot with the hand anyway and you have to really consider pot control over protection regardless of how wet that flop is. not really sure how i feel about this line though.

      that's my 2c. and i'm interested to see some other thoughts on it because this is definitely an annoying spot. as played i think folding the river is probably your only option because you beat nothing.
    • metza
      metza
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      Joined: 28.01.2012 Posts: 2,220
      Originally posted by DrDunne
      hmm given that villain limped he's obviously a bad player. what is the reason for cbetting so huge on the flop? do you think villain will call you with a worse pair? because i can't see how a worse Tx hand can call vs such a big bet. instead i think you isolate yourself against Jx hands.

      your hand is pretty weak, and if you bet the flop then it's gunna be pretty hard to get to SD if you take the line that you did. instead you could cbet the flop smaller (~$18-$24), barrel the turn and check back the river. if he leads river after you bet twice then we have a really easy fold and if he checks then we can take our free showdown. i really like this line if you expect villain to be a huge loose-passive whale. the only problem is if he has any brain cells then you are probably turning your hand into a bluff when you barrel.

      an alternative line would be to check back the flop and bet the turn for a free showdown and give up vs any other aggression. your hand is vulnerable of course, but the thing is you only have middle pair so you can't exactly win a huge pot with the hand anyway and you have to really consider pot control over protection regardless of how wet that flop is. not really sure how i feel about this line though.

      that's my 2c. and i'm interested to see some other thoughts on it because this is definitely an annoying spot. as played i think folding the river is probably your only option because you beat nothing.
      I agree with this.

      I would maybe consider calling $50 on a brick river eg 3, but on an 8/9/Q/K river I am definitely folding. Preferably we would have some info on how thinly villain value bets rivers, because there are some players who will always take a stab on the river when the turn is checked back.
    • booomm
      booomm
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      Joined: 22.03.2011 Posts: 677
      Originally posted by metza
      Originally posted by DrDunne
      hmm given that villain limped he's obviously a bad player. what is the reason for cbetting so huge on the flop? do you think villain will call you with a worse pair? because i can't see how a worse Tx hand can call vs such a big bet. instead i think you isolate yourself against Jx hands.

      your hand is pretty weak, and if you bet the flop then it's gunna be pretty hard to get to SD if you take the line that you did. instead you could cbet the flop smaller (~$18-$24), barrel the turn and check back the river. if he leads river after you bet twice then we have a really easy fold and if he checks then we can take our free showdown. i really like this line if you expect villain to be a huge loose-passive whale. the only problem is if he has any brain cells then you are probably turning your hand into a bluff when you barrel.

      an alternative line would be to check back the flop and bet the turn for a free showdown and give up vs any other aggression. your hand is vulnerable of course, but the thing is you only have middle pair so you can't exactly win a huge pot with the hand anyway and you have to really consider pot control over protection regardless of how wet that flop is. not really sure how i feel about this line though.

      that's my 2c. and i'm interested to see some other thoughts on it because this is definitely an annoying spot. as played i think folding the river is probably your only option because you beat nothing.
      I agree with this.

      I would maybe consider calling $50 on a brick river eg 3, but on an 8/9/Q/K river I am definitely folding. Preferably we would have some info on how thinly villain value bets rivers, because there are some players who will always take a stab on the river when the turn is checked back.
      his range is all over the place, a 3 :spade: could easily hit him, sure K/Q/9/8 are much worse but whatever, cbetting that big accomplishes nothing imo, as played fold river, I like cbetting 2/3 on the flop to punish draws and since this is a live game, I wouldn't expect him to fold any pair on the flop, so we bet for value+protection, on the turn that's the nut safe card, so we barrel again 1/2 pot, and we happily check back river for a winner most of the times.