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[NL20-NL50] [FR] NL50 QQ ex.02 07.08

    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,748
      Full Tilt - $0.50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      MP: 104 BB (VPIP: 20.46, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 4.53, Hands: 879)
      MP+1: 30.5 BB (VPIP: 47.37, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
      CO: 79.1 BB (VPIP: 27.66, PFR: 10.64, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 47)
      BTN: 103.3 BB (VPIP: 13.83, PFR: 10.25, 3Bet Preflop: 4.28, Hands: 27,699)
      Hero (SB): 238.7 BB
      BB: 164.9 BB (VPIP: 15.52, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 4.58, Hands: 15,107)
      UTG: 106.7 BB (VPIP: 21.70, PFR: 13.21, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 111)
      UTG+1: 116.6 BB (VPIP: 19.62, PFR: 12.38, 3Bet Preflop: 5.39, Hands: 8,246)
      UTG+2: 130.3 BB (VPIP: 19.63, PFR: 7.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.44, Hands: 603)

      Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:club: Q:spade:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

      Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 6:club: A:club: 7:heart:
      Hero checks, BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

      Turn: (14 BB, 2 players) 5:club:
      Hero checks, BB bets 10 BB, fold

      bb




      Flop: I don't see value bet here so I decided to let him float. So probably this play is valid.
      Turn: shitty turn. On blank I would call again but in this situation I didn't know what to do so I chose ev 0 option and just fold.
      Can we call again it because we have Q?
  • 5 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi UnknownJoseph,

      Preflop: looks fine

      Postflop: If you plan to fold on the turn why bother calling the flop to let him "float". Clearly our hand is really weak when we take a line like this so any aggro guy will barrel more than one street, especially on a "scare" card.

      So I would recommend that you just cbet or have a more developed plan for turn/river when you give up initiative OOP so early in the hand.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,748
      Originally posted by BogdanPS
      So I would recommend that you just cbet or have a more developed plan for turn/river when you give up initiative OOP so early in the hand.
      because of this hand I didn't cbet this board...
      [Fr] Nl25 Kk 18.07

      as you can see I don't have developed plan for turn and river.
      I'm here because I want to develop it :) could you show me how to do it?

      so is it x/c, x/c on any turn card and after than x/f river?
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Well, there are a few differences in those two hands actually.

      In the first one you are probably not paying attention that you are in fact UTG vs MP so when you cbet a flop like that one you generally do not get called light.

      However, SB vs BB is a different beast where you can expect to get called ligther more frequently :)

      As far as the plan goes you need to look at how you'd play the hand on various cards and how you can get to showdown (which is what you are after). For this you need to look at the villain and the info you have on him.

      For example, what range bets the flush card so large on that turn?
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,748
      flushes and bluffs
      sets reraise on the flop
      Ax- I don't see reason betting so high w/Ax
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Originally posted by UnknownJoseph
      flushes and bluffs
      sets reraise on the flop
      Ax- I don't see reason betting so high w/Ax
      He can't really raise the flop since we are not betting.

      But I agree that generally he does not bet sets/TP/2p like this so he is polarized. Thus another call would not be terrible.