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[NL2-NL10] Nl2 Jj 09082013

    • SigmaSan
      Joined: 31.07.2013 Posts: 9
      Hi there,

      Just started out with lesson one of the No limit beginners course.

      Here a hand I wanted to talk about...

      IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $4.94 (247 bb)
      SB: $1.54 (77 bb)
      BB: $5.43 (271.5 bb)
      UTG+2: $1.10 (55 bb)
      MP1: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
      MP2: $1.96 (98 bb)
      MP3: $2 (100 bb)
      Hero (CO): $3.59 (179.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
      3 folds, MP3 raises to $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, 2 folds, BB calls $0.06

      Flop: ($0.25) T T Q (3 players)
      BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25, MP3 folds

      Turn: ($0.75) 2 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($0.75) 9 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Results: $0.75 pot ($0.05 rake)
      Final Board: T T Q 2 9
      BB showed Q T and won $0.70 ($0.37 net)
      Hero mucked J J and lost (-$0.33 net)

      So Preflop an MP raises in front of me. Since we both (!) have more than 20 times the raised amount I decide to call the raise. The BB calls also.

      After the flop TcTsQd comes I am worried that the Jacks are beat but everyone checks in front of me so I decide to protect my hand and bet a pot sized bet. The BB calls. Here I realized that Jacks are indeed beat since he or she has probably hit the board indicating a set or a higher pair and maybe even a full house. I stop thinking and I decide now to check al the way down and if he bets again without me improving, I fold.

      We check to showdown and indeed he beat me with a full house T over Q which he slow played.

      My Questions:

      1) Was it OK to bet the flop with a pot sized bet to protect the hand as a strategy?
      2) In general, should I have tried to bet myself on turn or river (regardless of the fact that in this specific case he had the nuts)?
  • 1 reply
    • mbml
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,795

      Preflop: the call20 rule is irrelevant here. You have JJ, and you are not only calling to setmine. You also have a ton of showdown/pair value vs unpaired hands.

      Flop: You don't need to protection your hand. The only bad cards that could come on the Turn are the K and A. I guess 9 is also kind of bad as it completes some straight draws but I prefer checking here as the board isn't all that wet and JJ isn't too vulnerable.

      Besides, if you want to bet, you should be betting on the smaller side. Beting so large ensures that only better hands call you, which defeats the purpose of the bet (gain value from worse)