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[NL2-NL10] AKo Preflop Desicion

    • kiwicoach
      kiwicoach
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.07.2013 Posts: 220
      Hello

      So I'm out of position and sandwiched here against UTG raiser and a loose SB 3 bettor and faced with a tricky decision. I think my options are fold or 4 bet/fold and a call is out of the question because it doesn't gain me any information on my opponents hands. Is that logic correct? What's the optimal play here?

      Thanks!

      PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      MP: 161.6 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
      CO: 65.6 BB (VPIP: 29.82, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)
      BTN: 109.2 BB (VPIP: 12.86, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 8.82, Hands: 72)
      SB: 130 BB (VPIP: 56.52, PFR: 39.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
      Hero (BB): 107 BB
      UTG: 146.4 BB (VPIP: 23.40, PFR: 23.40, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 48)

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:heart: K:diamond:

      UTG raises to 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 13 BB, Hero ??
  • 4 replies
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Hi kiwicoach,

      Preflop: We are not really deep and SB is loose so far so a cold 4-bet for value would be fine.

      You can't actually 4-bet/fold unless you min 4-bet. You would be committed.
    • kiwicoach
      kiwicoach
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.07.2013 Posts: 220
      Thanks Bogdan

      So I made the cold 4 bet and get two smooth calls. Not exactly what I expected but ok. I miss the flop but feel pot committed anyway and figure the only way I can win is to bet, so I push the rest of my stack in. Is this okay? Or would a check/fold or even a check/call line be more suitable. I find it really really had to fold here even though I missed.

      Thanks

      PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      MP: 161.6 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
      CO: 65.6 BB (VPIP: 29.82, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 58)
      BTN: 109.2 BB (VPIP: 12.86, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 8.82, Hands: 72)
      SB: 130 BB (VPIP: 56.52, PFR: 39.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
      Hero (BB): 107 BB
      UTG: 146.4 BB (VPIP: 23.40, PFR: 23.40, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 48)

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:heart: K:diamond:

      UTG raises to 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 13 BB, Hero raises to 40 BB, UTG calls 36 BB, fold, SB calls 27 BB

      Flop: (124 BB, 3 players) Q:club: Q:diamond: 4:heart:
      SB checks, Hero bets 67 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 67 BB, SB raises to 90 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 23 BB
    • BogdanPS
      BogdanPS
      Basic
      Joined: 12.05.2010 Posts: 27,588
      Looking at the size of your 4-bet you definitely cannot fold. Any shove would give you great odds.

      That 4-bet is huge though, why so big? Generally you 4-bet 20-24 BBs but since he 3-bet larger a bigger 4-bet is fine, maybe like 28 BB but not 40 BB.

      As played I think that shipping it is a bit spewy as I doubt any better hand folds and I can't see many worse calling. Unfortunately I'd just ck/fold.
    • kiwicoach
      kiwicoach
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.07.2013 Posts: 220
      ok thanks..

      I was following the 3x raise rule because I thought this was correct. But not for 4-bets? How should I determine the size of a 4 bet?