FL SH advanced by storge & Grammy

    • storge
      storge
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.08.2005 Posts: 22,519
      Hey, how did you like our coaching? Any criticism, questions, suggestions, praise, etc. - post it here, we definetly like to read some feedback, in any way! :)

      Thanks a lot in advance!
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    • storge
      storge
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.08.2005 Posts: 22,519
      Hey guys, I'm sorry for the few hands in the first 30-45 minutes, but sadly I can't change PartyPoker's random seed.

      Here are two interesting hand's of the coaching, that can be discussed in this thread. I will post my thoughts later on.

      1) PartyPoker 3.00/6.00 Limit Hold'em [color:#0000FF](5 handed)[/color] HandRecorder v0.9c

      Stats
      MP (31/25/2.5/45) (15782h)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 8:club: , 8:spade:
      [color:#FF0000]MP raises[/color], [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], Hero ...?



      2) PartyPoker 3.00/6.00 Limit Hold'em [color:#0000FF](5 handed)[/color] HandRecorder v0.9c

      Stats
      SB (28/20/1.6/40) (31675h)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q:heart: , 8:spade:
      [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], [color:#FF0000]SB raises[/color], Hero calls.

      Flop: (4 SB) J:diamond: , 8:club: , 3:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#FF0000]SB bets[/color], Hero calls.

      Turn: (3 BB) K:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      SB checks, [color:#FF0000]Hero bets[/color], SB calls.

      River: (5 BB) 5:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      SB checks, Hero...?
    • Yoghi
      Yoghi
      Black
      Joined: 10.09.2007 Posts: 14,387
      Easy 3-bet preflop for me in 1, 88 is very nice against 45 WTS if he calls down a lot with A high.

      In 2 I think that I even prefer a check behind on the turn, him checking in this spot looks a bit strange and I think you will see a c/r here very often. We don't have a sure double valuebet either, pot isn't big so protection isn't important. And if he gave up with his hand on the turn he might bluff the river. Here I will probably valuebet with Q8 because we beat most 8s
    • storge
      storge
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.08.2005 Posts: 22,519
      1) PartyPoker 3.00/6.00 Limit Hold'em [color:#0000FF](5 handed)[/color] HandRecorder v0.9c

      Stats
      MP (31/25/2.5/45) (15782h)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 8:club: , 8:spade:
      [color:#FF0000]MP raises[/color], [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], Hero ...?

      We've got the equity to 3-bet against this loose-aggressive player, but there are arguments for not raising. I posted this hand on the german board and schiep (highroller, playing 250/500) answered as followed:
      "I'd just call. If you 3-bet, he might cap and (as you are the big blind) there is no dead money in the pot. Also, you can find an easy fold on ugly boards. Of course this means, that you shouldn't be scared of just one overcards and play your hand aggressively."

      I just equiled some possible boards an we could at least check/call on any board with two overcards, except of an A & K high board. On the single overcard boards wie should often checkraise.
      So: a 3-bet is no must here, but you could do it. You often just push the variance and get into difficult spots if you might get semibluffed on ugly boards, where you have to calldown (because of the potsize), but often payoff a better hand.


      2) PartyPoker 3.00/6.00 Limit Hold'em [color:#0000FF](5 handed)[/color] HandRecorder v0.9c

      Stats
      SB (28/20/1.6/40) (31675h)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q:heart: , 8:spade:
      [color:#666666]3 folds[/color], [color:#FF0000]SB raises[/color], Hero calls.

      Flop: (4 SB) J:diamond: , 8:club: , 3:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#FF0000]SB bets[/color], Hero calls.

      Turn: (3 BB) K:club: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      SB checks, [color:#FF0000]Hero bets[/color], SB calls.

      River: (5 BB) 5:heart: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      SB checks, Hero...?

      I think the Turn is an easy valuebet. If SB had trash or a draw (with no showdownvalue), he would often bet/fold for foldequity. If SB had a Jack or King he would be afraid of a possible freecard and bets himself. A flush or monster would just bet to induce a raise and be able to 3-bet. So his check often shows a weaker madehand (maybe even with flushdraw), whith which villain doesn't want to get raised, because he wants to see at least the rivercard. In my opinion villains often has a Jack, an 8, a 3, a pocketpair or even A high. Only a Jack or A8 beat us, so I think that we often have two simple valuebets (as long as the river doesn't show a 4th ).



      I just have to add a third hand, which Grammy and I misplayed:

      Stats
      MP (64/16/1.2/67) (25h)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with T:spade: , T:club:
      [color:#FF0000]MP (poster) raises[/color], [color:#666666]2 folds[/color], [color:#FF0000]Hero 3-bets[/color], [color:#666666]1 folds[/color], MP calls.

      Flop: (6 SB) 8:club: , A:heart: , K:diamond: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#FF0000]Hero bets[/color], MP calls.

      Turn: (4 BB) J:spade: [color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
      [color:#FF0000]Hero bets[/color],

      Against this opponent we have NO foldequity against any better hand and will often get a freecard on our possible outs (sometimes even a free showdown against a worse pocketpair). So this is a simple check/fold Turn, check/fold River unimproved.
    • drcollosso
      drcollosso
      Bronze
      Joined: 05.05.2006 Posts: 3,053
      Hey there,

      i enjoyed your coaching a lot, even though the other guys weren't too talkative. Well, me neither at the beginning. But maybe they prefer to pay full attention to the content you give. Which you do quit good I think. You answer questions well, explain your lines in an understandable way and even try to motivate the "lazy masses".

      The Doc was quit amused :)