[NL2-NL10] nl10 K,Q I was slow-played

    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 7,596
      $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
      10 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG SJM xxxx ($2.00)
      UTG+1 Jara66 ($3.80)
      UTG+2 MrAlfredo1 ($10.03)
      MP1 x Elinroel ($1.73)
      MP2 luckyfish17 ($15.35)
      MP3 KlaraZ5 ($4.24)
      CO Hero ($1.85)
      BTN RED PALACH ($10.82)
      SB Timci1 ($9.55)
      BB kesh31 ($8.12)

      Pre-flop: ($0.15, 10 players) Hero is CO Q:heart: K:diamond:
      1 fold, Jara66 calls $0.10, 1 fold, x Elinroel calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.60, 3 folds, Jara66 folds, x Elinroel calls $0.50

      Flop: 8:club: 9:heart: T:spade: ($1.45, 2 players)
      x Elinroel checks, Hero bets $1.25, x Elinroel calls $1.13

      Turn: Q:spade: ($3.83, 2 players)

      River: 7:spade: ($3.83, 2 players)

      Final Pot: $3.65
      x Elinroel shows: T:heart: T:diamond:
      Hero shows: Q:heart: K:diamond:
  • 7 replies
    • greyboy
      greyboy
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      Joined: 19.07.2006 Posts: 3,052
      1. Please convert the hand.
      2. No results
    • Semesa
      Semesa
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      Joined: 03.06.2008 Posts: 294
      that may not have been "slowplayed" by him, he probably was limping 10's for set value, with the intention of check-raising you on the flop.

      or perhaps he was a regular that knew a little about how SSS'ers play, and knew you had to shove the flop...
    • davidangel
      davidangel
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      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 456
      Good SSS bet, you had a longshot draw on the J till the end. Howse yer heart rate? :D
    • greyboy
      greyboy
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      Joined: 19.07.2006 Posts: 3,052
      Nice hand.
      Live 4 gutshot outs and maybe 3-6 overcard outs ...
      Bad luck to run against a set.
    • Whywait1
      Whywait1
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      Joined: 27.08.2008 Posts: 3
      Good work fella, nice sss, two limpers & a classic 6 x raise (wd)
      Heads up:) Flop comes, You have a gut draw & two overcards & you put the fella all in.
      What happened to betting 60% of the pot 95c, not $1.25. Oh that's right, you only do that if you actually HIT! otherwise yes, its a bluff, and it did not work. Yes he would still have gone all in, even betting 60% of the pot (He has a SET - even though there could be a possible straight). But you could have saved 30c, when he called or raised you, but then hey your already pot committed why not just give it all away. Lucky it was a ring game & not a tourney!!
      Did you know that the average winning hand in holdem is two pair.
      Elinroel obviously placed you on a high pair, or AK, AQ, KQ best! Definitely not JQ with such a monster pre-flop bet, he/she must have read sss too!!!
      P.S: Most people would slow play the nut flop, not put someone all in - You tend to extract more money that way. Yet another reason why he didn't put you on JQ.
      You had a drawing hand, not even A high, what did you put him/her on? Or did you not stop long enough to think & just boned through what you have read without putting a human element into the equation?
      You had bet 60c into a 35c pot and was called the difference of 50c. Give other players some credit some of the time.
      The player Elinroel "slowplayed" his pocket 10's as you call it, maybe due to the mathematics of poker were 56% of the time with pocket 10's there will be overcards in the community cards. But in heads up why not!! He called your extra 50c mainly because it gave him a return of nearly 2 to 1, plus Elinroel had pockets, and you might not (Therefore a 40% chance to win).
      If this was how the player got to invest their money all the time they would increase their earnings by 193% not to mention the hidden earnings upon hitting!!!
      You had a gut drawing hand post flop (You wanted to see a J!) By not "slowplaying yourself", you pot committed Elinroel. He had bet 50c & only had $1.13 left; Roughly 1 / 2.25 (Equaled pot committed). Checking the turn could have been advantages, if he had made a bet work out the pot odds for your gut draw & overcards. 4th & 5th St added more chaos to the ambiguous possiblity of hands & an all in here could have produced a fold. If thats what you like to do.
    • justkyle88
      justkyle88
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 7,596
      Could someone explain to me this story in a shorter version.
      I felt like I was reading the same thing over and over again.
      Thankyou for you input "Whywait1".
      Just take your time to work out your hand so it's not such a long and confusing evaluation.
    • jmackenzie
      jmackenzie
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      Joined: 04.06.2008 Posts: 1,241
      Originally posted by Whywait1
      Good work fella, nice sss, two limpers & a classic 6 x raise (wd)
      Heads up:) Flop comes, You have a gut draw & two overcards & you put the fella all in.
      What happened to betting 60% of the pot 95c, not $1.25. Oh that's right, you only do that if you actually HIT! otherwise yes, its a bluff, and it did not work. Yes he would still have gone all in, even betting 60% of the pot (He has a SET - even though there could be a possible straight). But you could have saved 30c, when he called or raised you, but then hey your already pot committed why not just give it all away. Lucky it was a ring game & not a tourney!!
      Did you know that the average winning hand in holdem is two pair.
      Elinroel obviously placed you on a high pair, or AK, AQ, KQ best! Definitely not JQ with such a monster pre-flop bet, he/she must have read sss too!!!
      P.S: Most people would slow play the nut flop, not put someone all in - You tend to extract more money that way. Yet another reason why he didn't put you on JQ.
      You had a drawing hand, not even A high, what did you put him/her on? Or did you not stop long enough to think & just boned through what you have read without putting a human element into the equation?
      You had bet 60c into a 35c pot and was called the difference of 50c. Give other players some credit some of the time.
      The player Elinroel "slowplayed" his pocket 10's as you call it, maybe due to the mathematics of poker were 56% of the time with pocket 10's there will be overcards in the community cards. But in heads up why not!! He called your extra 50c mainly because it gave him a return of nearly 2 to 1, plus Elinroel had pockets, and you might not (Therefore a 40% chance to win).
      If this was how the player got to invest their money all the time they would increase their earnings by 193% not to mention the hidden earnings upon hitting!!!
      You had a gut drawing hand post flop (You wanted to see a J!) By not "slowplaying yourself", you pot committed Elinroel. He had bet 50c & only had $1.13 left; Roughly 1 / 2.25 (Equaled pot committed). Checking the turn could have been advantages, if he had made a bet work out the pot odds for your gut draw & overcards. 4th & 5th St added more chaos to the ambiguous possiblity of hands & an all in here could have produced a fold. If thats what you like to do.
      umm pushing on this flop is fine you need 50% of hands to fold to make it +ev and the check indicates either a monster or a weakhand the latter being the more likely case.