internet,POKER?

    • wininagn
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      I have been playing live poker for about 4 years or so, we have some excellent clubs here on the costa del sol and I have gradually increased my bankroll and consider myself a fair live tourney and low stakes cash player.
      My problem is this, why am I sh*t online??? I generally do ok on mtts until down to 20 0r so players and then I seem to hit suck outs and bad beats, later I will post some hands to show what I mean, but meanwhile any suggestions?
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    • CoreySteel
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      Read articles? Lots of them.
      You can be good live player, but online is completely different story. Maybe you don't think so, but it is.
    • LuborC
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      If you keep finishing 20th or so consistently and keep busting out just because of bad luck I don't see what your problem is.. You're making money for sure and if it is just bad luck keeping you from winning a tournament then it will go away sooner or latter.
      Just think about how much bigger online tournaments usually are compared to the live ones. You have to play many times more hands to get in the money and it only makes sense that in some of these hands you get sucked out on..
      It is still a good idea to read the articles, watch the videos and visit coachings. Just to make sure it is really just bad luck keeping you from winning more and not some leaks you might have..
    • wininagn
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      Ok guys,thanks for the input, I have found some problems highlighted by some of the excellent articles here and of course I will keep reading, but I can't help feeling that the sites may be dealing selected hands to chip leaders, to bust out players hence speed up the tourney and increase cash flow for the sites.
      Any thoughts on this or am I a paranoid computerphobe destined to only play live? ?(
    • delete461
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      Yeah you are paranoid, the sheer logistics and effort required for a site to rig the cards would be enormous for a very small benefit.

      The majority of online players practise on play money tables before playing for real money, whereas in a casino you get people wandering in already half drunk, and people who hardly understand the game just blowing a few bucks for fun. The skill levels online are very much higher - a NL10 online game may be the equivalent of a NL200 live game or even higher.
    • wininagn
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      I accept your point, but time is money and with the volume of games played on smaller stakes tournies it would probably be very cost effective to speed them up,no. I am not accusing sites of favouring individuals just wondering if they help things along to speed up the turnover of tournies.
      As for your comment about live games versus internet that is a debate that could go on forever, suffice it to say you dont play much live poker do you?

      I will say that the dedicated poker clubs that I play here certainly dont match your impression, they are full of dedicated, disciplined players, the image of drunk donks blowing their payroll could not be further from the reality.
      Thankfully for me you do come across a few cash machines tho. :D
    • wininagn
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      I accept your point, but time is money and with the volume of games played on smaller stakes tournies it would probably be very cost effective to speed them up,no. I am not accusing sites of favouring individuals just wondering if they help things along to speed up the turnover of tournies.
      As for your comment about live games versus internet that is a debate that could go on forever, suffice it to say you dont play much live poker do you?

      I will say that the dedicated poker clubs that I play here certainly dont match your impression, they are full of dedicated, disciplined players, the image of drunk donks blowing their payroll could not be further from the reality.
      Thankfully for me you do come across a few cash machines tho. :D
    • NiekamNeidomu
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      Originally posted by wininagn
      I accept your point, but time is money
      thank you ! you made my day brighter ;)
      can i ask something?
      lets say.. you r out of money.. for one or another reason.. you can allways produce some more yes? but if you run out of time.. where the hell you will buy it? is there a departament of time that sells time? if you found one il buy the location of it !
      the conception time - is money is a bigest bullshit ever said in mankind history .. this kind of stuff was said to motive the americans that were working in a fabrics in idustrial age T_T

      in online poker. there r alot of expierienced players.. that use stats and kind off stuff.. most of them will exploit your weakneses.. and even you say that people you play with live is good and disciplined.. they still played 10time less hands then average online poker player ;)
    • wininagn
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      I am not saying time is money from a poker players point of view but from the point of view of a poker SITE which whether you like it or not is a business and time IS money for them, eg the more tournaments they squeeze into one hour the more money they make!!

      so my point is still valid It would be in the sites interest to make tournaments go faster to get more buy ins per hour, the faster people drop out the faster they buy in again it's simple mathematics.
    • wininagn
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      You are correct about online players playing more hands and importantly seeing many more hands played, but that is not relevant to this thread I'm simply putting a case that maybe poker clients can be programmed at some point to favour bigger stacks to get rid of the small stacks to get more tourney buy ins. and its only a thought its not being negative it is just a question.
    • Xplosiw
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      It's a conspiracy! Insert your aluminum foil hats NOW!





      :D
    • wininagn
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      I've really gotta give up this weed =) =) =) :D
    • wininagn
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      and where exactly does one INSERT a hat?
    • Xplosiw
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      Originally posted by wininagn
      and where exactly does one INSERT a hat?
      That is up to you. I usually put it on my head on the rare occasions I use one. :P
    • swissmoumout
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      Originally posted by wininagn
      and where exactly does one INSERT a hat?
      don't ask. this is the internet, there are tons of weird fetishes
    • Chiller3k
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      Originally posted by swissmoumout
      Originally posted by wininagn
      and where exactly does one INSERT a hat?
      don't ask. this is the internet, there are tons of weird fetishes

      and swissmoumount knows them all :P
    • wininagn
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      so back to the original question?