[NL20-NL50] [FR] NL50 AJo 14.08

    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,748
      Full Tilt - $0.50 NL - Holdem - 7 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      CO: 113.4 BB (VPIP: 11.81, PFR: 9.30, 3Bet Preflop: 3.36, Hands: 9,212)
      BTN: 78 BB (VPIP: 27.56, PFR: 6.34, 3Bet Preflop: 2.14, Hands: 1,966)
      SB: 194.1 BB (VPIP: 17.47, PFR: 14.99, 3Bet Preflop: 6.63, Hands: 3,279)


      Hero (BB): 121.5 BB
      UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.02, PFR: 10.62, 3Bet Preflop: 4.16, Hands: 4,996)
      UTG+1: 109.5 BB (VPIP: 15.55, PFR: 12.46, 3Bet Preflop: 4.68, Hands: 17,516)
      MP: 40.4 BB (VPIP: 19.46, PFR: 11.34, 3Bet Preflop: 4.47, Hands: 5,292)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:diamond: J:spade:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

      Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 6:diamond: 7:spade: T:diamond:
      SB bets 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 11.5 BB, SB calls 8 BB

      Turn: (29 BB, 2 players) 9:spade:
      SB checks, Hero bets 20.3 BB, SB calls 20.3 BB

      River: (69.6 BB, 2 players) 3:spade:
      SB checks, Hero bets 86.7 BB and is all-in, SB calls 86.7 BB

      For me it's standard play against this kind of player with back door flush draw.I don't understand how villain could call down w/ KK ?( but how cares.
      I'm just wondering about another valid line with this hand.
      Can we call flop and reraise any turn?
  • 5 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,909
      Hey,

      Well, I can give you some reasons why he can and likely why he called down KK.

      First off, you would probably raise bigger for value with 2pair or a set/straight. So something like 13-14bb, not just 11.5bb.

      Futhermore, your turn bet is very small for value since it doesn't prepare river shoves plus on that card, you generally are not expected by him to vbet a set. Therefore, your range becomes 8x or air. What 8x raises the flop? You have pair with 8x usually so mostly calls. Not many 8x.

      On the river, flushdraw misses, sets don't shove, his KK = TT relative to your range generally so it's not that hard to think why he called down.
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Joined: 22.04.2010 Posts: 5,748
      yeap...
      this is your assumption. NL200+ player who wrote a book :) .
      I think that I can easily have 68s, 78s, T8s itp because I would play it vs almost hole stealing range.
      This hands I would play in this same way.
      Ok. it's happens.

      Do you see another option to play A?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,909
      Well, 68s, 78s, T8s are not that many combos to outweigh busted flushdraws in your range imo.

      I think you played it OK for NL50, apart from your sizing. That's the biggest giveaway. You, as a NL50 reg, will almost never forget to size your value hands accordingly. It's quite an accutrate read you should think about using on others as well. :)
    • UnknownJoseph
      UnknownJoseph
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      Do you see another option to play A?
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
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      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,909
      You can call because you represent any scary turn card better than him so you can call and raise, depending on his bet sizing as well, on diamond, 8, 9. If you raise flop, you try to rep made straight, sets and 2pair, while if you call to raise those, you rep some flushes and straight with one card. Which spot do you think gives him the weaker range, therefore higher FE for you?

      There can be a very small difference sometimes, which is the case here imo, when he doesn't cbet super often but continues barreling very often.

      Your line is generally still +EV especially if you use the right sizing. You should not think of ways to play a hand/card/blocker, you should think more in terms of how board texture goes with your range and your opponent's range then act accordingly.

      Your line CAN be completely different from preflop: 3bet vs 60% open, but doesn't mean it necessarily should be, if you have other ideas about postflop.