[PLO 6max] chooochooo - PLO25

    • Kreatief
      Kreatief
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      Joined: 28.01.2006 Posts: 13,896
      Hi everyone,

      Id like to start a blog over here, cause I want to keep track of my sessions and write down my feelings/thoughts and goals. This helps me to stay sane ;)

      I am from germany, have been very active in the german community but honestly I just dont like the way alot of people are behaving there. Its very rude and not very friendly for the most part.

      I am playing PLO zoom as a hobby (working fulltime in the software development section).

      Currently I am playing zoom10 and plan to shot PLO25 soon. I will need to earn another 15 stacks or so, to shot with 50 stacks. But theres the problem ;) Currently I am not winning, as I run more than 42 stacks below EV and I am planning to invest some money into private coaching.
      I set up a private coaching for next tuesday with Skodljivec

      I already recoreded 3 sessions of 20 minutes 2tabling zoom. I will select the best session (with the most questionable spots) to have enough to discuss about.

      I also started to make deeper HH analysis, which helps me to think about hands and not only guess and play because of a feeling.

      My overall PLO10 zoom SH graph looks like this:



      My redline was going down with -10bb/100, right now its flattened and even going up a bit. I think the biggest reason is because of a much tighter preflop approach, after watching Skodljivecs videos. This helps me to concentrate on the absolute ABC spots which I have to learn. When my game gets solid, I might adapt and loosen up.


      Todays session was tough. I felt like I played well, except for a few hands where I made questionable semibluffs/bluffs. I posted one hand in the hand evaluations forum:

      [PLO10 SH zoom] QJ98ss vs UTG reg on A^

      Session graph (will play some more today):

  • 76 replies
    • Kreatief
      Kreatief
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      $0.05/$0.10 Zoom Pot Limit Omaha Hi
      PokerStars
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($15.72) 157bb
      Hero (UTG+1) ($10.30) 103bb
      CO ($11.57) 116bb
      BTN ($19.46) 195bb
      SB ($23.62) 236bb
      BB ($13.50) 135bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 2:heart: 2:spade: 2:club: 2:diamond:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, CO calls $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25

      Flop: J:diamond: J:spade: J:club: ($1.75, 5 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20, 1 fold, SB folds, BB folds

      Turn: 10:club: ($4.15, 2 players)
      Hero bets $3.05, CO says "aces ?", CO calls $3.05

      River: 3:club: ($10.25, 2 players)
      Hero goes all-in $5.70, CO calls $5.70

      Final Pot: $21.65
      Hero shows a full house, Jacks full of Deuces
      2:heart: 2:spade: 2:club: 2:diamond:
      CO shows four of a kind, Jacks
      7:heart: K:spade: K:diamond: J:heart:

      CO wins $20.68 (net +$10.38)

      BTN lost $0.35
      SB lost $0.35
      BB lost $0.35
      Hero lost $10.30


      X(
    • tommygecko
      tommygecko
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      Joined: 11.08.2012 Posts: 1,229
      Originally posted by Kreatief
      $0.05/$0.10 Zoom Pot Limit Omaha Hi
      PokerStars
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($15.72) 157bb
      Hero (UTG+1) ($10.30) 103bb
      CO ($11.57) 116bb
      BTN ($19.46) 195bb
      SB ($23.62) 236bb
      BB ($13.50) 135bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 2:heart: 2:spade: 2:club: 2:diamond:
      1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, CO calls $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25

      Flop: J:diamond: J:spade: J:club: ($1.75, 5 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20, 1 fold, SB folds, BB folds

      Turn: 10:club: ($4.15, 2 players)
      Hero bets $3.05, CO says "aces ?", CO calls $3.05

      River: 3:club: ($10.25, 2 players)
      Hero goes all-in $5.70, CO calls $5.70

      Final Pot: $21.65
      Hero shows a full house, Jacks full of Deuces
      2:heart: 2:spade: 2:club: 2:diamond:
      CO shows four of a kind, Jacks
      7:heart: K:spade: K:diamond: J:heart:

      CO wins $20.68 (net +$10.38)

      BTN lost $0.35
      SB lost $0.35
      BB lost $0.35
      Hero lost $10.30


      X(
      Are you serious? ?(
    • Kyyberi
      Kyyberi
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      You know that you must use exactly 2 cards from your hand? You didn't have quads, you had pretty much the worst possible starting hand in PLO. :)
    • Skodljivec
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      Gl! that sucks, such a cooler :D .
    • Kreatief
      Kreatief
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      gnihihi, finally some responses.

      Its kind of a game at 2+2 to win with pocket-quads and post them in the BBV-Thread there :P

      So yeah, I know the PLO rules but losing with quads over quads is sick :(

      EDIT:

      final graph for today:

    • herekPL
      herekPL
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      Joined: 13.05.2007 Posts: 6,181
      Originally posted by Kreatief
      So yeah, I know the PLO rules but losing with quads over quads is sick :(


      ofc
    • NinjaGir
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      "Kreatief" to say the least :) haha
    • Kreatief
      Kreatief
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      I recorded another session today, which was great. Well actually, it wasnt great in terms of money, but for the coaching tomorrow. Alot of preflop spots where I am unsure, alot of postflop spots, where I am unsure but sure I might have spewed a bit.
      The sesion went pretty bad:




      The tables werent that superb. I mean, they are fishy, but it seems only the shortys are going broke light postflop. So there are alot of 20bb pots to win, alot of HU pots where you can barrel but overall there are no real whales there.
      So I tried the regular tables:




      Hell yeah, there are real whales:


      $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
      PokerStars
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($12.28) 123bb
      UTG+1 ($8) 80bb
      CO ($14.31) 143bb
      BTN ($10) 100bb
      Hero (SB) ($13.67) 137bb
      BB ($16.37) 164bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.25, 6 players) Hero is SB 4:diamond: 7:diamond: 8:spade: 7:spade:
      [UTG+1 posts $0.10]
      1 fold, UTG+1 checks, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.05, BB raises to $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

      Flop: K:spade: 4:heart: 7:heart: ($1.20, 3 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $1.10, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $4.45, BB calls $3.35

      Turn: 7:club: ($10.10, 2 players)
      Hero bets $3, BB goes all-in $11.52, Hero goes all-in $5.82

      River: 6:club: ($27.74, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      Final Pot: $27.74
      Hero shows four of a kind, Sevens
      4:diamond: 7:diamond: 8:spade: 7:spade:
      BB shows two pair, Kings and Sevens
      2:diamond: 4:spade: 3:heart: K:club:

      Hero wins $26.56 (net +$12.89)

      BB collects $2.70 (net -$13.67)
      UTG+1 lost $0.40


      BUT, I didnt feel that great at the tables. I was playing 6 tables, so had enough time, but it seemed just strange to play. And often I forgot to check the tables if they are still soft, alot of tables broke, and it was kinda stressfull.
      I also didnt dare (correct word?) to bluff at all. Thats why the redline dropped.

      I dont know what to think of this. I just feel more comfortable at zoom, but maybe I just would have to get used to it.

      Anyway, really looking forward to tomorrow for the coaching. Hopefully I will learn alot and hopefully we will find alot of leaks (to increase my edge even more ;) ).

      Oh and I missplayed a hand soooo sick vs a reg, which I feel soooo bad about it:


      $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
      PokerStars
      5 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($2.15) 22bb
      CO ($10.55) 106bb
      BTN ($7.55) 76bb
      SB ($25.03) 250bb
      Hero (BB) ($10) 100bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is BB 3:club: K:spade: A:heart: 10:heart:
      UTG calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

      Flop: 2:heart: 3:heart: J:club: ($0.50, 5 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, CO raises to $1.68, 1 fold, SB folds, Hero calls $1.28

      Turn: K:diamond: ($3.86, 2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $3.70, Hero calls $3.70

      River: 7:club: ($11.26, 2 players)
      Hero checks, CO goes all-in $5.07, Hero goes all-in $4.52

      Final Pot: $20.30
      CO shows three of a kind, Jacks
      2:club: Q:club: J:spade: J:heart:
      Hero shows
      3:club: K:spade: A:heart: 10:heart:

      CO wins $19.99 (net +$9.44)

      Hero collects $0.00 (net -$10)
      BTN lost $0.10
      SB lost $0.10
      UTG lost $0.10
    • Kreatief
      Kreatief
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      Coaching review

      Today I had my private coaching.
      We reviewed half of the 20min video of 2tabling zoom.
      I often explained my deeper thought process and it was pretty nice.
      He gave me document with notes of my game after the coaching.
      Leaks have been:
      - bet sizing preflop and postflop (I always bet low)
      - barreling cards
      - thin vbetting (although he says, its already good, but could be improved even more)

      His summary:


      Overall, i think you have a very solid game, already good enough to be a plo10 winner. Your thought process is top notch, you analyise situations really well, and come by the right solutions on your own almost always, which is very impressive for someone starting out at plo10. You seem to be moving in the right direction and with very big steps, so keep it up!


      This makes me very happy as I played alot of spots well where I was so unsure about. I feel more confident right now and just know I will beat PLO10 and pretty sure PLO25 as well (have played that a few times).

      I will still wait to take a shot, because I want to reach a goal at least once :D
      Tomorrow I will take another private coaching hour to review the second half of the video, because I am sure it will improve me.

      After paying both hours I will need another 12 stacks to take a shot with 50 stacks. Hopefully my rungood continues like the last two days:




      Two funny hands from today:

      $0.05/$0.10 Ante $0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
      PokerStars
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($28.85) 289bb
      UTG+1 ($31.47) 315bb
      Hero (CO) ($39.96) 400bb
      BTN ($14.81) 148bb
      SB ($14.57) 146bb
      BB ($9.11) 91bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.27, 6 players) Hero is CO A:club: A:heart: 9:spade: 10:diamond:
      1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: 4:heart: A:spade: 7:spade: ($1.62, 5 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $1.20, Hero raises to $5.15, 1 fold, SB folds, BB calls $5.15, UTG+1 raises to $22.15, Hero goes all-in $39.64, BB goes all-in $3.64, UTG+1 goes all-in $9

      Turn: 2:diamond: ($72.71, 3 players, 3 all-in)

      River: 4:diamond: ($72.71, 3 players, 3 all-in)

      Final Pot: $72.71
      Hero shows a full house, Aces full of Fours
      A:club: A:heart: 9:spade: 10:diamond:
      BB shows a pair of Fours
      8:spade: 5:spade: 6:diamond: Q:diamond:
      UTG+1 shows a full house, Sevens full of Fours
      3:diamond: 7:heart: 7:club: Q:heart:

      Hero wins $79.70 (net +$39.74)

      BB collects $0.00 (net -$9.11)
      BTN lost $0.32
      SB lost $0.32
      UTG+1 lost $31.47


      I have the nuts but only have 39%, whereas villain doesnt even has a pair and still has 50% equity. PLO is so sick :D


      Oh and nice flop:

      $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
      PokerStars
      5 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($24.18) 242bb
      CO ($4.28) 43bb
      BTN ($11.73) 117bb
      SB ($11.51) 115bb
      Hero (BB) ($10.30) 103bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is BB 10:diamond: 10:heart: Q:club: J:heart:
      1 fold, CO calls $0.10, BTN raises to $0.45, SB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.35, CO raises to $2.25, BTN calls $1.80, SB calls $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

      Flop: 9:club: 10:club: 8:spade: ($9, 4 players)
      SB bets $8.62, Hero goes all-in $8.05, CO goes all-in $2.03, BTN says "really ?", BTN goes all-in $9.48, SB goes all-in $0.64

      Turn: 8:club: ($37.60, 4 players, 4 all-in)

      River: 4:spade: ($37.60, 4 players, 4 all-in)

      Final Pot: $37.60
      SB shows a flush, Ten high
      4:club: 3:club: 3:spade: 5:spade:
      Hero shows a full house, Tens full of Eights
      10:diamond: 10:heart: Q:club: J:heart:
      CO shows three of a kind, Eights
      A:spade: A:heart: 8:heart: 6:heart:
      BTN shows a flush, Ace high
      A:club: K:diamond: 2:diamond: 5:club:

      Hero wins $33.68 (net +$23.38)

      BTN collects $2.64 (net -$9.09)
      SB lost $11.51
      CO lost $4.28
    • tommygecko
      tommygecko
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      getting 315bbs in with set>set must be the best feeling ever :D
    • JonikoP
      JonikoP
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      Good luck, will follow!
    • Kreatief
      Kreatief
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      Originally posted by tommygecko
      getting 315bbs in with set>set must be the best feeling ever :D
      yep. Whats even better: Both posted hands happened at the same time (as you can see in the graph. Wasnt even looking at the results, as they didnt matter that much and had to take a break after that to see what just happened :D


      Originally posted by JonikoP
      Good luck, will follow!
      ty :heart:
    • Kreatief
      Kreatief
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      Today I had my second coaching with Skodljivec.
      We reviewed the second part of my video. Overall I am once again very happy. One, because we found more leaks and second, because overall my game seems to be solid.

      New leaks we discovered:

      - Playing too tight with BBBx holdings like AQT4ss and KJT9ss UTG
      - 3betting crappy Aces (knew that, just needed confirmation in those spots)
      - I once checked back a monotone board, where I should bet
      - cbet too few hands in general (especially A^dry boards, low rainbow paired boards)


      Summary from Skodljivec (hope thats ok to post it here):


      Overall, i think you have a very solid game, already good enough to be a plo10 winner. Your thought process is top notch, you analyise situations really well, and come by the right solutions on your own almost always, which is very impressive for someone starting out at plo10. You seem to be moving in the right direction and with very big steps, so keep it up!



      Again a decent all around preformance. Your thought process is way above the avarage plo10 player, so just keep doing what your doing and there's no reason for you not to succeed.


      So it was a good investment for me and he is a great coach. Very friendly, adjusting to his student and can explain his thoughts very well. He also lets me explain MY thoughts deeply and is patient with it, which I find extremly important.


      Todays session went great again:




      Last three days:




      :f_love:


      I need about 7 more buyins to move up. I am not sure yet how many buyins I will take for the shot. I am thinking about 20 stacks, which means, if I lose 20 stacks, I will drop down to PLO10 and have about 75 stacks left for that limit.
      Normally Id shot pretty early and move back down pretty fast, but this time its different. First of all I wanna reach a goal (50 buyins for PLO25) and I think the gap between those limits is pretty big (moneywise, its 2.5x), so regaining those stacks takes longer than on other limits.
      Will think about this a bit more. Some opinions from you would be great :)


      cya and best of luck to all of you :heart:
    • Stu24023
      Stu24023
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      Well done mate, massive improvements.

      For someone just starting out at PLO it's good to see, might try to get some tips from u.!

      It might help reaffirm what u learnt (I'm not after freebies honest lol)
    • Kreatief
      Kreatief
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      ty :heart:


      The learn process (coming from NLH) in a nutshell:

      - watch videos alot, hear "play tight, play super tight OOP, dont overplay Overpairs, go for nutts wraps".
      - start playing tight, but only playing wraps, AA** and opening wide on the button
      - start opening ranges, getting too loose in the blinds and OOP in general
      - not vbetting thin at all postflop
      - not able to handread ("he can have like... I mean... like... everything?")
      - rewatch videos
      - notice one is playing too loose OOP and not playing the real PLO nuts like broadways
      - getting experience postflop ("they are calling me down with a naked TP? WTF. Ok lets start vbetting them thinner... oh hey, it works")
      - Identifying spots where villains are week
      - seeing how extremly strong position can be
      - getting more aggressive as villains are often easy to read
      - realise one should not feel overconfident
      - rewatch videos and think about certain spots to stay focused


      yeah kind of this way. It took me a long time. Right now I feel like I have a solid understanding of the game and feel pretty confident. I though know I am far away from beeing able to easily crush PLO100, which is my ultimate goal for the future.
      So I will keep on learning, discussing hands and take more coaching lessons.

      I like where this graph is going:




      2.5 more stacks till PLO25... gogogo!
    • Kreatief
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      I reached my goal of 50 stacks for PLO25 and started playing it today:



      Let me recap:

      First third where everything drops: It was just strange. So many awkward spots. So many strange action from villains where Id never expect it. Many pots where I just had to fold on later streets because of the boardrunout.

      Second third was better. I got into the grind and it felt like PLO10. No strong opponents, alot of recreational players, but mostly very aggressive.

      Third part was bad. It was bad because I think I played bad. Wasnt too concentrated anymore but wanted to force the breakeven graph to not loose in the first session.
      Thats where everything started to drop again. That was just unnecessary.

      I am not too happy with the result. But I will stay there for sure and take around 10-20 buyins as a shot, depending on how I feel about my game and the tables.

      I also have the 120€ bonus, which I havent activated yet. Just waiting for some more money from other sites.
    • CPallo
      CPallo
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      Superb results from PLO tables, seems great :D I hope you can go up even on PLO25, too! :s_biggrin:
    • Kreatief
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      hopefully. But yeah, in the end it didnt play different than PLO10, so I just need some rungood or runnormal to beat this limit.

      Would like to play right now, but I am not concentrated anymore, so I will have to wait for tomorrow.
    • Kreatief
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      Oh ehm yeah. Won the gold status in the forum promotion (writing 3 blog entries), so I guess I have to thank all my readers, haha :P
      (Id rather taken the 50 bucks, but anyway, at least I won something :D )