1000 recreational SNG's

    • sebfather
      sebfather
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      Joined: 12.06.2013 Posts: 12
      Hi guys,

      I'm relatively new to pokerstrategy.com, but been playing poker every once in a while for a few years now. I guess I'm what you call a recreational player. Since I'm working full time and also have a girlfriend to take care of, I can't really grind huge volumes. Nevertheless, I'd like to get some focus and improve my game. That's why I'm setting myself this challenge:

      Play 1000 5+1 Jackpot SNGs at Titan Poker until 25th Nov. 2013.

      I know the rake of 1$ is huge and the chance of 5 consecutive wins or seconds is small (you get 15,000$ for 5 wins and 200$ for 5 second places in a row), but it seems like those tables fill up much quicker and the higher rake helps clearing my bonus until then. Thus, if I take into account the added benefit from clearing the bonus, plus rakeback, the 1$ fee reduces considerably ;) In any case, if I see that the extra rake is not worth it I shall switch.

      Of course I also set some goals:

      Overall goals:

      • play 1000 games at 5+1 SNG
      • achieve an ev roi of 10%
      • post at least 3 hands in the hands discussion forum after each session
      • reviw all marked hands before the start of the next session
      • achieve gold status and read/watch all sng articles
      • watch at least 2 videos on sng a week


      Every 250 tourneys I will evaluate my game thoroughly and review all marked hands once again. Upon reaching certain goals, I will treat myself to a prize:

      • ev roi achieved: go out for a nice dinner
      • every 5% above ev roi: I'll plant a tree on http://www.iplantatree.org/project/10/plant.
      • hands posted and analysed: allow myself to play 2 MTTs with BI < 3
      • review hands: allow myself to play 2 MTTs with BI < 3
      • achieve silver/gold status and read/watch all sng articles: go out for drinks :)
      • watch at least 2 videos on sng a week: allow myself to play 2 MTTs with BI < 3


      I'll post some graphs and interesting hands as I go. For now wish me luck :D
  • 8 replies
    • chilliyen
      chilliyen
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      Joined: 12.04.2010 Posts: 158
      Good luck.

      I hope you get to plant many trees........
    • Necrophagist
      Necrophagist
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      Joined: 02.05.2009 Posts: 132
      I feel that the rake is too steep. I considered playing these games but decided against it, since you can easily get 150+ games a day on 5 +.50$.

      I wish you the best of luck. I hope you can overcome the 20% rake.
    • UPAY4DINNER
      UPAY4DINNER
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      Joined: 27.09.2009 Posts: 21,921
      Best of luck sebfather!
    • variancekiller
      variancekiller
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      In before epic tree planting. Best of luck
    • AArvanity
      AArvanity
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      Joined: 04.06.2011 Posts: 746
      on rake like this 0% roi gonna be great ..
    • sebfather
      sebfather
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      Joined: 12.06.2013 Posts: 12
      Thanks for the wishes, all :)

      Yes, the rake is STEEP... But I did some calculations. Since I wont get my bonus with normal rake, I subtracted the bonus value from the extra 50ct rake. Then subtract the extra rakeback from getting more VIP points at the lowest value. This leaves an extra rake of 31ct over the regular 5+0,50. Still steep. But if my probability to win each tourney is at least 11.6%, it's +ev. Alternatively I need at least 27.5% chance to get 1st or second. Both assume independence of events... I'm no expert but ths doesn't seem too high, considering even if all 10 players have the same skill, each has a chance of 10% to win the thing. From what I've seen in the first 25 games most people are not that skilled however... Also, I guess this whole win $15k brings in some gamblers who make the games a bit juicier anyways. So yeah, with bonus clearance it aint that bad. Probably looks different for a mass vol player who would clear the bonus in time anyways, but I don't think I would.

      Other topic: I've been wondering how to play pots that are uncontested. Meaning 1 or 2 people limped, no one seems to have hit the flop, no agression. How do you guys play such situations? Here an example:

      IPoker, $5 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 10 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      MP2: 1,805 (45.1 bb)
      MP3: 985 (24.6 bb)
      CO: 960 (24 bb)
      BTN: 865 (21.6 bb)
      SB: 945 (23.6 bb)
      BB: 995 (24.9 bb)
      UTG: 475 (11.9 bb)
      UTG+1: 985 (24.6 bb)
      UTG+2: 750 (18.8 bb)
      Hero (MP1): 1,235 (30.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J T
      3 folds, Hero calls 40, 5 folds, BB checks

      Flop: (100) 4 9 5 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: (100) 9 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: (100) 2 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Results:
      100 pot
      Final Board: 4 9 5 9 2
      BB showed 3 Q and won 100 (60 net)
      Hero mucked J T and lost (-40 net)


      Or this one:

      IPoker, $5 Buy-in (5/10 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 10 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      MP3: 1,255 (125.5 bb)
      CO: 1,078 (107.8 bb)
      BTN: 985 (98.5 bb)
      SB: 990 (99 bb)
      Hero (BB): 1,000 (100 bb)
      UTG: 692 (69.2 bb)
      UTG+1: 1,000 (100 bb)
      UTG+2: 1,000 (100 bb)
      MP1: 1,000 (100 bb)
      MP2: 1,000 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K T
      5 folds, MP3 calls 10, 3 folds, Hero checks

      Flop: (25) A Q 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP3 checks

      Turn: (25) T (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP3 checks

      River: (25) 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP3 checks

      Results:
      25 pot
      Final Board: A Q 8 T 9
      MP3 showed 8 7 and lost (-10 net)
      Hero mucked K T and won 25 (15 net)


      continued in next post (too many images apparently for one post...)
    • sebfather
      sebfather
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      Joined: 12.06.2013 Posts: 12
      ...


      Or for example when you limp to go for set value,don't hit the set but no one brings any action. Especially in teh first example, where with J or T many hands in limping ranges hit:

      IPoker, $5 Buy-in (30/60 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (MP1): 1,005 (16.8 bb)
      MP2: 880 (14.7 bb)
      MP3: 617 (10.3 bb)
      CO: 866 (14.4 bb)
      BTN: 2,760 (46 bb)
      SB: 1,722 (28.7 bb)
      BB: 1,160 (19.3 bb)
      UTG+2: 990 (16.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8 8
      UTG+2 folds, Hero calls 60, 4 folds, SB completes, BB checks

      Flop: (180) J 3 4 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: (180) 6 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

      River: (180) T (3 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

      Results:
      180 pot
      Final Board: J 3 4 6 T
      Hero mucked 8 8 and won 180 (120 net)
      SB showed 7 A and lost (-60 net)
      BB showed 9 A and lost (-60 net)


      IPoker, $5 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      MP1: 880 (22 bb)
      MP2: 935 (23.4 bb)
      MP3: 925 (23.1 bb)
      Hero (CO): 848 (21.2 bb)
      BTN: 1,025 (25.6 bb)
      SB: 1,425 (35.6 bb)
      BB: 1,030 (25.8 bb)
      UTG+1: 696 (17.4 bb)
      UTG+2: 2,236 (55.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 4 4
      UTG+1 calls 40, UTG+2 calls 40, 3 folds, Hero calls 40, 2 folds, BB checks

      Flop: (180) 3 9 3 (4 players)
      BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

      Turn: (180) 8 (4 players)
      BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

      River: (180) 9 (4 players)
      BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

      Results:
      180 pot
      Final Board: 3 9 3 8 9
      Hero mucked 4 4 and won 180 (140 net)
      BB showed T J and lost (-40 net)
      UTG+1 showed 6 A and lost (-40 net)
      UTG+2 showed A 7 and lost (-40 net)



      Going through my hands now, seem to call a bit too light when others shove...
    • thazar
      thazar
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      Joined: 14.09.2009 Posts: 6,560
      open limping is a big leak IMO....if you have limpers before you it might be different.

      but all the hands you have posted i would have raised (or folded depending on dynamics)