Definition of Playability

    • Evante
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      Definition of Playability

      I was watching one of the coaches video and keep on talking about playability.

      He was comparing when he is at BB, K8 is a fold but K9 is a so called standard resteal due to it's playability.

      For info, he is playing on NL200 SH ZOOM. I play at low stakes Fullring so i might not understand the "Looseness" the coach is playing at.

      To me K8 and K9 has no difference, someone care to enlighten me?

      He was comparing A8 and A2 too, that A8 also has more playability. is it because A8 is able to hit top pair more often?
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    • patszerdonk
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      87s have better playability than A8o because you will connect to more flop (despite have lower equity). So on the flop you can "play" 87s more often than A8o. You can cbet, 2barrel, c/r more often.
    • SPeedFANat1c
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      He was comparing A8 and A2 too, that A8 also has more playability. is it because A8 is able to hit top pair more often?


      I think A2 has better playability than A2 because:

      when we hit Ace, our kicker is not bets and makes more trouble. We can laydown A2 on Axx much more easily.

      A2 can flop striaght, GS, while A8 cannot.

      A8 has its advantages on 2288 board, and A82 board.

      But still when I 3bet bluff, I bluff with A2 but throw away A8o
    • Itsnevereasy
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      Hi Evante,

      He was comparing when he is at BB, K8 is a fold but K9 is a so called standard resteal due to it's playability.

      For info, he is playing on NL200 SH ZOOM.


      Presumably he's facing a raise from BU. To me there is no difference between K8s and K9s if that matters :)



      Two possible definitions of playability come to mind:

      1) How often does your hand flop 'something' on the flop. Having a gutshot, overcards, backdoor flushdraws all count.

      e.g.

      KQs has very high playability in almost all situations since there is a high chance (70%?) that you flop either a pair, some kind of draw or a backdoor flush draw.

      Whereas A8o will usually only have one overcard if you don't flop a pair.

      2) How often your hand will have good equity vs your opponents range.

      e.g. AA has much more playability than KK in 4bet pots. That's why calling a 4bet IP is much more preferable than calling KK in position. AA will be happy to get it in on virtually all flops, whereas KK is beat or not getting any action on Ah flops (20-30% of the time there is an ace on the flop?)


      p.s. I think the term 'playability' used loosely and misunderstood a lot of the times but ultimately the underlying concept is implied pot odds.
    • patszerdonk
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      Presumably he's facing a raise from BU. To me there is no difference between K8s and K9s if that matters


      Of course there is :)
      K9s can flop st8 while K8s not.

      K9s:
      >=quads: 0.01531%
      full house: 0.09184%
      flush: 0.8367%
      straight: 0.3214%
      3 of a kind: 1.347%
      two pair: 2.02%
      overpair: 0%
      top pair: 17.72%
      pp below tp: 0%
      middle pair: 9.765%
      weak pair: 1.469%
      ace high: 0%
      no made hand: 66.41%
      flushdr.(2 card): 10.94%
      nut fd (1 card): 0%
      OESD: 1.286%
      gutshot: 11.2%
      overcards: 16.54%
      flushdraw+pair: 1.684%
      flushdr.+oesd: 0.1837%
      flushdr.+gutsh.: 1.469%
      oesd+pair: 0%
      gutshot+pair: 1.469%
      gutshot+overc.: 0.9643%

      K8s:
      >=quads: 0.0102%
      full house: 0.09184%
      flush: 0.8418%
      straight: 0%
      3 of a kind: 1.347%
      two pair: 2.02%
      overpair: 0%
      top pair: 16.16%
      pp below tp: 0%
      middle pair: 10.35%
      weak pair: 2.449%
      ace high: 0%
      no made hand: 66.73%
      flushdr.(2 card): 10.94%
      nut fd (1 card): 0%
      OESD: 1.607%
      gutshot: 4.5%
      overcards: 10.22%
      flushdraw+pair: 1.684%
      flushdr.+oesd: 0.2296%
      flushdr.+gutsh.: 0.6429%
      oesd+pair: 0%
      gutshot+pair: 0%
      gutshot+overc.: 0.9643%

      Range hit 21% vs 16% so there is 5% diff we flop more draw.
    • Itsnevereasy
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      K9s: >=quads: 0.01531%

      K8s: >=quads: 0.0102%



      Rigged! :D
    • Itsnevereasy
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      Only different I see is that we have a 6.5% chance of flopping a gutshot. 6.5% we will have an 8% of turning a straight. I don't think thats significant, and honestly is it even +EV to cbet QJx with K9? The flop hits his range very hard! So if we don't cbet it and check fold then there is actually no difference. :tongue:
    • patszerdonk
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      Originally posted by Itsnevereasy
      Only different I see is that we have a 6.5% chance of flopping a gutshot. 6.5% we will have an 8% of turning a straight. I don't think thats significant, and honestly is it even +EV to cbet QJx with K9? The flop hits his range very hard! So if we don't cbet it and check fold then there is actually no difference. :tongue:
      yeah you right.

      i just want to say that K9 vs K8 is not the same as K6 vs K5 (or A9 vs A8).
      the diff is not significant but it depend on how we are playing.

      For example on blind war you can add K9 and throw away K8 because of "playability" and not hand equity/ranking. (in this case if you add A9 then you should add A8). On the flop you have guts on your c/r range. Just for example.
    • Evante
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      So lets say you want to 3bet a player but he usually calls more than 4betting.

      Thus you need a range that has more playability.

      Is KTo a better or A9s?

      KT have 2 cards that risk domination but

      A9s has one and on top of that you can hit a nut flush(draw).