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just an equity question

    • munkey7
      Joined: 22.09.2011 Posts: 190
      what is cosidered good equity?? For example if TAG raised from LP and i 3 bet shove with 22-88, A9-AT. These hands have good equity preflop so by good equity is that 30%, 45%, 60% against their range?? What percentage is considered good equity?
  • 6 replies
    • unshpe
      Joined: 20.05.2013 Posts: 294
      "Good" equity means +EV. A combination of how many times they fold, and what equity you have when you have to see showdown.

      Obviously, "Good" is a subjective term and you won't get a satisfying answer.
    • gadget51
      Joined: 23.06.2008 Posts: 5,622
      Hi munkey7,

      Moved this to beginners questions for you.


    • RasTweet
      Joined: 26.12.2009 Posts: 4,553
      Hey munkey7

      Good equity doesn't really exists. You either have the required equity or you don't. I'll try to explain it with an example.

      Preflop both you and villain have 100bb.

      Hero K :spade: Q :heart:

      Pre: you make it 3bb in the CO, vill in BU calls, SB and BB fold.
      (pot is 3+3+1,5 = 7,5bb)

      Flop: J T 3

      You bet 5bb and villain raises to 15bb. You have to call 10bb in a pot of 7,5bb + 5bb + 15bb = 27,5bb --> 10bb devided by 27,5bb = 0,36 This means you need 36% of equity to be breakeven.

      Now lets put vill on a rather nutty range. So all sets, OESD's and 2 pairs. That range looks like this

      If you download equilab here you can put in your hand vs his range on that flop. The outcome will be this.

      Board: J:diamond: T:club: 3:heart:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    37.12%  14.84%  22.27% { KsQh }
      MP3    62.88%  40.61%  22.27% { JJ-TT, 33, KQs, JTs, KQo }

      You can see that you have 37,12% of equity vs his range on this flop. Since you only need 36% this means you make a profitable call.

      Now this is an 'easy' example. It gets complicated on the turn when you miss, or when you raise. But I hope you understand what I'm saying?

      A move can be +EV vs a range if you equity is doing good compaired to the potodds. This is for postflop though.

      Preflop is hard because there often is 3betting and 4betting both as bluff and for value etc... There are ppl who know more about that then I.

      Best regards

    • thazar
      Joined: 14.09.2009 Posts: 6,561
      1) full stack dont 3bet shove.

      2) vs tag you could use a lot of those hands as 3 bet bluff,

      like 22 -77 for example and AJ -AQ + maybe ATs and KQ, I would fold with a 100 bb a lot of other hands maybe 3bet a few Axs and some SC. then it is all situyation dependant, dynamics, how much does tag fold to 3bet or how tight is tag opening range etc... but my 3bet / 5bet shove range is very tight and has only a very few bluffs vs tag
      Joined: 27.09.2009 Posts: 22,027
      Thank you guys :)
    • munkey7
      Joined: 22.09.2011 Posts: 190
      thanks for clearing that up a little better for me folks.