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Monkeys on the (Red) Line

    • poompah
      poompah
      Bronze
      Joined: 26.12.2011 Posts: 118
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      SB:
      $14.18
      BB:
      $11.99
      MP2:
      $7.24
      MP3:
      $14.20
      CO (Hero):
      $12.29
      BU:
      $4.45


      UTG (MP2) is the mark at the table for everyone -- playing 60/0/0 (VPIP/PFR/3B).
      MP (MP3) is an aggro donkey playing 38/37/19 -- who is also the mark for me :-) along with the Fish. I have been 3-betting him with anything reasonably decent due to his super-wide opening range. He has not played back yet.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q.
      MP2 calls $0.10, MP3 raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.10, 3 folds, MP2 calls $1.00, MP3 calls $0.70.

      I think we can assume Fish has anything of 2-soots, any pair, any Ace plus broadways and connectors.
      The Aggrodonk probably has a PP, a decent Ace or something from hands like KQ/QJ/JT. He may even be getting cute with AA/KK/AK (probably not). In short he has a big hand or does not know what to do with his mediocre-but-playable cards.

      Flop: ($3.45) Q, 5, 3 (3 players)
      MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $2.45, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $2.45.

      The check-call could still be 22+ (inc. AA/KK) and dominated Qs, with some chance of AK also.

      Turn: ($8.35) Q (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero bets $7.95, MP3 calls $7.95.

      I figure he is in-for-a-penny here so I pot the board -- and to protect against a possible backdoor flush. I did not notice I was left with 0.79 :-D
      Why does the POT button on stars bet 4bb less than pot? Seems to be a regular thang.

      River: ($24.25) 9 (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.79, MP3 folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $24.25.

      So the question is -- WTF did he have to fold a 240bb pot on the end for 8bb ??
      I always call here -- not just for pot odds but to gain info about what my opp plays with. Its a tiny call in that pot. Bizzare!

      Comments of any kind appreciated.
  • 7 replies
    • ragney
      ragney
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.08.2010 Posts: 2,417
      std


      Blinds are 5,000/10,000, No Limit Hold'em

      BTN: $980,000
      Hero $1,020,000
      BB: $1,000,000
      UTG: $1,000,000
      MP: $1,000,000
      CO: $1,000,000

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A K
      UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, BTN calls $7,500, Hero raises to $20,000, 1 folds, BTN calls $12,500

      Flop: ($50,000) 6 5 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $20,000, BTN raises to $40,000, Hero raises to $60,000, BTN raises to $80,000, Hero raises to $100,000, BTN raises to $120,000, Hero raises to $140,000, BTN raises to $160,000, Hero raises to $180,000, BTN raises to $200,000, Hero raises to $220,000, BTN raises to $240,000, Hero raises to $260,000, BTN raises to $280,000, Hero raises to $300,000, BTN raises to $320,000, Hero raises to $340,000, BTN raises to $360,000, Hero raises to $380,000, BTN raises to $400,000, Hero raises to $420,000, BTN raises to $440,000, Hero raises to $460,000, BTN raises to $480,000, Hero raises to $500,000, BTN raises to $520,000, Hero raises to $540,000, BTN raises to $560,000, Hero raises to $580,000, BTN raises to $600,000, Hero raises to $620,000, BTN raises to $640,000, Hero raises to $660,000, BTN raises to $680,000, Hero raises to $700,000, BTN raises to $720,000, Hero raises to $740,000, BTN raises to $760,000, Hero raises to $780,000, BTN raises to $800,000, Hero raises to $820,000, BTN raises to $840,000, Hero raises to $860,000, BTN raises to $880,000, Hero raises to $900,000, BTN raises to $920,000, Hero raises to $940,000, BTN raises to $960,000 and is all-in, Hero folds







      on topic: I've seen worse lol, fishes calling/raising/bluffing with draws/air and suddenly have nothing on river while facing an AI they fold to save their last few cents :f_biggrin: its super std lol, i do it all the time :f_grin: (jk)
    • OoT4NKoO
      OoT4NKoO
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.10.2012 Posts: 92
      Originally posted by poompah
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      SB:
      $14.18
      BB:
      $11.99
      MP2:
      $7.24
      MP3:
      $14.20
      CO (Hero):
      $12.29
      BU:
      $4.45


      UTG (MP2) is the mark at the table for everyone -- playing 60/0/0 (VPIP/PFR/3B).
      MP (MP3) is an aggro donkey playing 38/37/19 -- who is also the mark for me :-) along with the Fish. I have been 3-betting him with anything reasonably decent due to his super-wide opening range. He has not played back yet.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q.
      MP2 calls $0.10, MP3 raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.10, 3 folds, MP2 calls $1.00, MP3 calls $0.70.

      I think we can assume Fish has anything of 2-soots, any pair, any Ace plus broadways and connectors.
      The Aggrodonk probably has a PP, a decent Ace or something from hands like KQ/QJ/JT. He may even be getting cute with AA/KK/AK (probably not). In short he has a big hand or does not know what to do with his mediocre-but-playable cards.

      Flop: ($3.45) Q, 5, 3 (3 players)
      MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $2.45, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $2.45.

      The check-call could still be 77+ (inc. AA/KK) and dominated Qs, with some chance of AK also.

      Turn: ($8.35) Q (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero bets $7.95, MP3 calls $7.95.

      I figure he is in-for-a-penny here so I pot the board -- and to protect against a possible backdoor flush. I did not notice I was left with 0.79 :-D
      Why does the POT button on stars bet 4bb less than pot? Seems to be a regular thang.

      River: ($24.25) 9 (2 players)
      MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.79, MP3 folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $24.25.

      So the question is -- WTF did he have to fold a 240bb pot on the end for 8bb ??
      I always call here -- not just for pot odds but to gain info about what my opp plays with. Its a tiny call in that pot. Bizzare!

      Comments of any kind appreciated.
      I'm guessing A10hh or AJhh
    • Pkrpains
      Pkrpains
      Silver
      Joined: 04.10.2010 Posts: 382
      Originally posted by ragney
      std


      Blinds are 5,000/10,000, No Limit Hold'em

      BTN: $980,000
      Hero $1,020,000
      BB: $1,000,000
      UTG: $1,000,000
      MP: $1,000,000
      CO: $1,000,000

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A K
      UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, BTN calls $7,500, Hero raises to $20,000, 1 folds, BTN calls $12,500

      Flop: ($50,000) 6 5 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $20,000, BTN raises to $40,000, Hero raises to $60,000, BTN raises to $80,000, Hero raises to $100,000, BTN raises to $120,000, Hero raises to $140,000, BTN raises to $160,000, Hero raises to $180,000, BTN raises to $200,000, Hero raises to $220,000, BTN raises to $240,000, Hero raises to $260,000, BTN raises to $280,000, Hero raises to $300,000, BTN raises to $320,000, Hero raises to $340,000, BTN raises to $360,000, Hero raises to $380,000, BTN raises to $400,000, Hero raises to $420,000, BTN raises to $440,000, Hero raises to $460,000, BTN raises to $480,000, Hero raises to $500,000, BTN raises to $520,000, Hero raises to $540,000, BTN raises to $560,000, Hero raises to $580,000, BTN raises to $600,000, Hero raises to $620,000, BTN raises to $640,000, Hero raises to $660,000, BTN raises to $680,000, Hero raises to $700,000, BTN raises to $720,000, Hero raises to $740,000, BTN raises to $760,000, Hero raises to $780,000, BTN raises to $800,000, Hero raises to $820,000, BTN raises to $840,000, Hero raises to $860,000, BTN raises to $880,000, Hero raises to $900,000, BTN raises to $920,000, Hero raises to $940,000, BTN raises to $960,000 and is all-in, Hero folds
      Good fold, you can still get away as you're not getting the right price.
    • poompah
      poompah
      Bronze
      Joined: 26.12.2011 Posts: 118
      Oh sure I can understand players BLUFFING with air -- but that involves a bet or a raise at some point ROFL -- or are we talking that hugely advanced play the bluff calldown :s_o:

      Seriously tho -- I was experimenting with playing a lot more aggressively in spots where I had decent equity -- so maybe he just wanted to get stubborn with my constant raising BS and force me to risk my whole stack? Trouble is -- he had Jack squat. Keep takin dem pills.
      The pot is too big to fold on the Turn, but too small to call on the River? Gotta luvvit!
      .
    • poompah
      poompah
      Bronze
      Joined: 26.12.2011 Posts: 118
      I'm guessing A10hh or AJhh

      That seems sensible -- but he has to call with Ace high as there is prob a 3% chance I have a hand like 76hh or KJhh/JThh.
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 7,020
      maybe a sick turn misclick? i've had it happen :facepalm:

      Originally posted by poompah
      I figure he is in-for-a-penny here so I pot the board -- and to protect against a possible backdoor flush. I did not notice I was left with 0.79 :-D
      Why does the POT button on stars bet 4bb less than pot? Seems to be a regular thang.
      stars automatically deducts rake in between streets. so $7.95 is the pot size after rake :f_eek:
    • badgerer
      badgerer
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.03.2010 Posts: 555
      maybe villain had 24 and just knew he was gonna catch that magic ace on the river.