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    • hulachops
      hulachops
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      Joined: 08.09.2013 Posts: 5
      ok peeps,

      i'm the only one that gets my 90% win odds on the river beat by crap,
      is it because i'm playing with their free money, ie i've not deposited yet,


      would like to just put it out there and see what ya think..

      please no ...that's poker etc....
      cos it doesn't seem to happen on live face to face tables...
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    • legand73
      legand73
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      Joined: 01.06.2010 Posts: 4,136
      hey hula

      would you care to elaborate?

      i'm the only one that gets my 90% win odds on the river beat by crap,


      like what situation were you in when this happened?
    • RasTweet
      RasTweet
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      Joined: 26.12.2009 Posts: 4,553
      Hey hula chops!

      I'm afraid that the only answer is "thats poker" :f_frown:

      Getting sucked out on isn't fun at all at all at all. But don't be afraid, it happens to everyone! In fact we have a thread where people post their bad beats.

      Click here for the "bad beat thread"

      Regards

      RasTweet
    • hulachops
      hulachops
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      Joined: 08.09.2013 Posts: 5
      hi,

      i'm starting to wonder,

      so how about this,

      hero j9 bb
      fish kq std sb calls

      flop j93 no flush outs

      fish 3x raise
      i flat

      turn 6 no flush outs

      fish he shoves
      i call

      river is of course a ten to make his str......

      you gotta laugh....or do i.....cost me five dollars.......

      either i'm doing something wrong or....well doing something wrong,
      cos this happens a lot....
    • legand73
      legand73
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      Joined: 01.06.2010 Posts: 4,136
      Yeah that's pretty bad especially on the turn....check this one out keeping in mind that i'm like 90% favourite




      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $63.32 (126.6 bb)
      SB: $53.81 (107.6 bb)
      Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
      UTG: $53.75 (107.5 bb)
      MP: $17.70 (35.4 bb)
      CO: $52.42 (104.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A A
      4 folds, SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4, SB raises to $53.81 and is all-in, Hero calls $46 and is all-in

      Flop: ($100) 5 Q K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: ($100) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($100) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results:
      $100 pot ($2.50 rake)
      Final Board: 5 Q K 9 T
      SB showed A K and won $97.50 ($47.50 net)
      Hero showed A A and lost (-$50 net)
    • RasTweet
      RasTweet
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      Joined: 26.12.2009 Posts: 4,553
      He had 13% on the flop so it happens to everyone sadly enough.


      IPoker, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
      CO: $17.20 (34.4 bb)
      BTN: $23.37 (46.7 bb)
      SB: $21.21 (42.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
      CO folds, BTN raises to $1.22, SB calls $0.97, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN raises to $23.37, SB folds, Hero calls $18.87

      Flop: ($47.96) 2 6 7 (2 players)
      Turn: ($47.96) 5 (2 players)
      River: ($47.96) 4 (2 players)

      Results:
      $47.96 pot ($2.00 rake)
      Final Board: 2 6 7 5 4
      Hero mucked Q Q and lost (-$23.37 net)
      BTN showed 8 8 and won $45.96 ($22.59 net)
    • hulachops
      hulachops
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      Joined: 08.09.2013 Posts: 5
      Hi
      kinda proves my point,

      anyway that's me finished with online poker,
      soz peeps i can't trust it (doesn't matter what everyone says),

      i win a decent amount live,
      but just get fcuked so many times online,
      i've had enough,

      how do i close my account on here too.

      thanks

      but enough's enough.
    • legand73
      legand73
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      Joined: 01.06.2010 Posts: 4,136
      Hi

      Hulachops. It's unfortunate that you're finished with online poker but if that's how you feel then so be it. No point trying to convince you if you're adamant not to be convinced

      Me and Ras just tried to convey that everyone goes through the same thing (and I do mean everyone) in the hopes to help you feel like it's not just you.

      No need to close your account. If you don't use it that's ok but some time in the future you might (could be a huge might but nevertheless) come back to online poker

      All the best for your future endeavours
    • ArkhamAsylum
      ArkhamAsylum
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      Joined: 06.09.2011 Posts: 527
      I busted more than a few mini bankrolls. I entertained the idea myself that the game just kept wanting me to reload as they wanted their pound of flesh. It is part of human nature to feel cheated or like we deserve something when it does not go our way.

      But I by no means trust every site going and would def be wary of sum. But tilt and anger when we are loosing and ego sometimes does try to make us believe that the game is wrong and I should be winning, I deserve this.
    • hulachops
      hulachops
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      Joined: 08.09.2013 Posts: 5
      hi,

      but you can spot a fish/manic at a live game quite easily,
      you don't need pokertracker etc,

      if i get busted on a live game it's because i miss read the play/player,
      online you can't tell how much booze there head has had,
      stats can tell you the type of player they MIGHT be,

      from my experience most online players are fish/manic's,(up to 50nl game)
      will chase an ace/str/flush till they hit and they of course do.....

      online sites love this kind of player,
      more rake and makes the player think they are good.......
      so more deposits when they miss cause they hit the other 90% of the time

      if i could play most of the muppets who busted me at a head to head live game,
      i'd more than likely own there house by the end of the session...:)
      but i'd give it back(i'm not that cruel)...

      i feel that the sites want a deposit off you,(so destroy your free bankroll)
      i played the EPT freeroll on pokerstars years ago and still do.
      i made enough to play to a highish level until i decided to move on( ie cash out).To play live games round the country.

      so i kinda know what i'm on about( er i hope:)
      i don't think i can be the only player who has doubts,



      H
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
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      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 6,888
      ok gl
    • SpecialEdd
      SpecialEdd
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      Joined: 17.12.2009 Posts: 84
      Don't trying to be a dick here, but if you are exp player, why are you crying about suck outs? You know about variance, and this is part of poker. I would love to read, how to deal with tilt, how to improve your mindset, from your experience, but the same old cry, that we all know, isn't interesting.
      Anyway, best of luck in the future mate. ;)
    • hulachops
      hulachops
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      Joined: 08.09.2013 Posts: 5
      not crying my friend,
      just don't understand how with online poker,
      with the free 10 dollars(ie to the site i'm a 'new player')
      i get busted out when i've got the odds,ev etc etc etc

      anyway,,
      love to you all....

      if you want some help let me know.

      take care
    • muumionu
      muumionu
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      Joined: 25.07.2012 Posts: 816
      yeah worst hand always wins, that's why I only play bad hands and continue with missed flops :) easy money
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
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      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 6,888
      Originally posted by muumionu
      yeah worst hand always wins, that's why I only play bad hands and continue with missed flops :) easy money
      2ez

      PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 58.8 BB
      SB: 118.72 BB
      Hero (BB): 113.96 BB
      UTG: 109.72 BB
      MP: 154.72 BB
      CO: 173.6 BB

      SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5:diamond: 7:diamond:

      fold, fold, CO raises to 2.6 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8.2 BB, CO calls 5.6 BB

      Flop: (16.8 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond: 2:heart: Q:heart:
      Hero bets 9.2 BB, CO calls 9.2 BB

      Turn: (35.2 BB, 2 players) 2:diamond:
      Hero bets 18.8 BB, CO calls 18.8 BB

      River: (72.8 BB, 2 players) 4:diamond:
      Hero bets 77.76 BB and is all-in, CO calls 77.76 BB

      Hero shows 5:diamond: 7:diamond: (Flush, Nine High) (Pre 41%, Flop 7%, Turn 18%)
      CO shows Q:spade: A:club: (Two Pair, Queens and Twos) (Pre 59%, Flop 93%, Turn 82%)
      Hero wins 220.32 BB


      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 206.4 BB
      Hero (SB): 219.8 BB
      BB: 100 BB
      UTG: 104.5 BB
      MP: 181.9 BB
      CO: 203.7 BB

      Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:heart: 3:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, BB raises to 7 BB, Hero raises to 19 BB, BB calls 12 BB

      Flop: (38 BB, 2 players) 3:club: 8:club: K:spade:
      Hero bets 13 BB, BB calls 13 BB

      Turn: (64 BB, 2 players) T:club:
      Hero checks, BB bets 31.1 BB, Hero raises to 187.8 BB and is all-in, BB calls 36.9 BB and is all-in

      River: (200 BB, 2 players) 7:heart:

      Hero shows K:heart: 3:heart: (Two Pair, Kings and Threes) (Pre 29%, Flop 72%, Turn 80%)
      BB shows K:diamond: Q:heart: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 71%, Flop 28%, Turn 20%)
      Hero wins 191 BB


      PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 169.6 BB
      SB: 138.9 BB
      Hero (BB): 138.4 BB
      UTG: 106.7 BB
      MP: 66.5 BB
      CO: 104.5 BB

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J:heart: 8:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.5 BB

      Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 9:club: A:club: T:diamond:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

      Turn: (11.5 BB, 2 players) 5:diamond:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

      River: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 7:heart:
      Hero checks, BTN bets 16 BB, Hero raises to 59 BB, BTN calls 43 BB

      Hero shows J:heart: 8:heart: (Straight, Jack High) (Pre 50%, Flop 51%, Turn 18%)
      BTN mucks 5:club: 5:spade: (Three of a Kind, Fives) (Pre 50%, Flop 49%, Turn 82%)
      Hero wins 133.2 BB