Quest to overcome NL200 and beyond

    • klonoa
      klonoa
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      Joined: 14.01.2007 Posts: 124
      Hi, been a long time member of PS.com. Finally decides to start a blog on my progress due to some barren periods at NL200(6max bss). Goal is to improve, plug my leaks, make some poker friends.

      For 5 months i play NL200 with no real success. Over 120k hands, i broke even. All i have been doing was just mindless grinding, i never really think about my game, or review my sessions, i never really learn and improve as a player. However all this is going to change, i am going to post all my session results and interesting hands with my analysis from my perspective. I will be updating this blog after my every session.

      At the moment my bankroll stands at 13.5k. Hope to move up to nl400 once my bankroll hits 20k. Here are my lifetime NL200 graphs/stats.




      Will clock a mega session today, so stay tuned.
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    • TribunCaesar
      TribunCaesar
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      Joined: 29.04.2007 Posts: 13,264
      Hey Klonoa,

      the graph doesn't look too good tbh. But actually I am happy to see you starting this blog. You already mentioned a very important thing. You need to stop grinding when you want to improve your game. Just play 4 tables at maximum. Think about every spot while you are playing and about the interesting after playing. Review your sessions and post the interesting hands. You can post them in THIS forum and I'll take a look.

      A very important thing is talking to other players. Discussing plays,lines etc...
      This is something that a lot of people underestimate. Improving together is the key. Others help you when you help others, that's how it works.

      Your stats: Looks kinda solid: 18/15 is pretty tight, your wtsd of 22 is pretty low.ATs looks good. I would like to see your AFs. My guess, they are like: 6,2,1 ??? What about showdown and non showdown winnings?

      In general: I would say you should try to loosen up and play something like 20/18.

      You could visit our NL advanced coaching. Our coaches Sebra, Timor, atuerke and Benjo are very experienced players. Listen to their advices.

      Keep us updated.

      Best regards,
      TribunCaesar
    • klonoa
      klonoa
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      Joined: 14.01.2007 Posts: 124
      Hey tribun thanks for the useful advice.

      I mostly play 8 tables though. Amazingly i get distracted when i play anything less. As for my preflop stats, i've start to open up alot lately. Months ago i was real tight. Now my true stats should be around 22/18. As for my AF stats, they run at 5,3,2. Can't find SD, Non SD winnings on PT3.
    • klonoa
      klonoa
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      Joined: 14.01.2007 Posts: 124


      Just finished a marathon session. Not too bad. At the start had some bad beats and coolers but towards mid sesh, i started to make some hands vs fishes.

      Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      BTN: $272.80
      SB: $279.20
      Hero (BB): $243
      UTG: $197

      Pre-Flop: K:diamond: K:heart: dealt to Hero (BB)
      UTG folds, BTN raises to $6, SB folds, Hero raises to $20, BTN calls $14

      Flop: ($41) 7:heart: 2:diamond: 9:club: (2 Players)
      Hero bets $30, BTN raises to $110, Hero raises to $223 and is All-In, BTN calls $113

      Turn: ($487) A:spade: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: ($487) 2:spade: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $487 Pot ($2 Rake)
      BTN showed K:club: A:club: (two pair, Aces and Twos) and WON $485 (+$242 NET)
      Hero showed K:diamond: K:heart: (two pair, Kings and Twos) and LOST (-$243 NET)

      Biggest pot i lost that happened early in the session.

      Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      BB: $536.90
      UTG: $205
      BTN: $373.35
      Hero (SB): $300.10

      Pre-Flop: K:heart: K:spade: dealt to Hero (SB)
      UTG raises to $7, BTN folds, Hero raises to $25, BB folds, UTG calls $18

      Flop: ($52) 4:heart: 2:spade: 6:diamond: (2 Players)
      Hero bets $34, UTG raises to $78, Hero raises to $275.10 and is All-In, UTG calls $102 and is All-In

      Turn: ($412) J:heart: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: ($412) 9:spade: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $412 Pot ($2 Rake)
      UTG showed J:diamond: J:spade: (three of a kind, Jacks) and WON $410 (+$205 NET)
      Hero showed K:heart: K:spade: (a pair of Kings) and LOST (-$205 NET)

      2nd biggest..

      Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      SB: $200
      BB: $24.70
      UTG: $232.50
      MP: $174.80
      Hero (CO): $234.70
      BTN: $203

      Pre-Flop: J:diamond: J:club: dealt to Hero (CO)
      UTG folds, MP calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 3 folds, MP calls $6

      Flop: ($19) 6:diamond: 3:heart: 7:heart: (2 Players)
      MP bets $8, Hero raises to $30, MP raises to $166.80 and is All-In, Hero calls $136.80

      Turn: ($352.60) 6:heart: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: ($352.60) 2:spade: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $352.60 Pot ($3 Rake)
      MP showed 6:club: 8:club: (three of a kind, Sixes) and WON $349.60 (+$174.80 NET)
      Hero showed J:diamond: J:club: (two pair, Jacks and Sixes) and LOST (-$174.80 NET)

      Villian over here is bad and splashy so i played my hand fast on this draw heavy board. I thought he would push with his draws and possibly worst 1pair hands.

      Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      CO: $88.25
      BTN: $200
      SB: $54.20
      BB: $468.95
      UTG: $191.05
      Hero (MP): $240.65

      Pre-Flop: 5:diamond: 5:heart: dealt to Hero (MP)
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, SB calls $6, BB calls $5

      Flop: ($21) 2:spade: Q:diamond: 3:club: (3 Players)
      SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $16, SB folds, BB calls $16

      Turn: ($53) 5:club: (2 Players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $40, BB calls $40

      River: ($133) K:club: (2 Players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $104, BB raises to $405.95 and is All-In, Hero calls $73.65 and is All-In

      Results: $488.30 Pot ($3 Rake)
      BB showed Q:club: K:heart: (two pair, Kings and Queens) and LOST (-$240.65 NET)
      Hero showed 5:diamond: 5:heart: (three of a kind, Fives) and WON $485.30 (+$244.65 NET)

      Villian here is a regular and i thought his play was awful. What worst hand of mine would call him on the river?

      Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      CO: $200
      BTN: $119.50
      Hero (SB): $231.75
      BB: $299.90
      UTG: $70
      MP: $281

      Pre-Flop: Q:club: Q:spade: dealt to Hero (SB)
      UTG folds, MP raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero raises to $25, BB folds, MP calls $18

      Flop: ($52) J:club: 2:spade: 7:club: (2 Players)
      Hero bets $34, MP raises to $256 and is All-In, Hero calls $172.75 and is All-In

      Turn: ($465.50) 5:spade: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: ($465.50) 2:diamond: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $465.50 Pot ($3 Rake)
      Hero showed Q:club: Q:spade: (two pair, Queens and Twos) and WON $462.50 (+$230.75 NET)
      MP showed 9:diamond: 9:spade: (two pair, Nines and Twos) and LOST (-$231.75 NET)

      I auto stack off here because its a 3bet pot and i have an overpair. Villian is 21/13/1. Felt he could have SC or AJ here.

      Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      UTG: $215
      MP: $61.40
      Hero (CO): $199
      BTN: $291.55
      SB: $252.15
      BB: $405.25

      Pre-Flop: A:heart: A:diamond: dealt to Hero (CO)
      2 folds, Hero raises to $6, BTN folds, SB calls $5, BB raises to $26, Hero calls $20, SB calls $20

      Flop: ($78) Q:club: 9:heart: Q:heart: (3 Players)
      SB checks, BB bets $55, Hero raises to $173 and is All-In, SB folds, BB calls $118

      Turn: ($424) 9:club: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: ($424) 4:club: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $424 Pot ($3 Rake)
      Hero showed A:heart: A:diamond: (two pair, Aces and Queens) and WON $421 (+$222 NET)
      BB showed K:club: K:heart: (two pair, Kings and Queens) and LOST (-$199 NET)

      Never 4bet pre because i thought BB might be squeezing, was looking to trap him. Bad idea when SB comes along. Basically shoved and prayed no one had the Q.

      Overall not many tough spots in this session.
    • CyaET
      CyaET
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      Joined: 31.01.2008 Posts: 2,080
      nice blog , good luck and nice session
    • klonoa
      klonoa
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      Joined: 14.01.2007 Posts: 124


      Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      Hero (CO): $206
      BTN: $440.05
      SB: $216.40
      BB: $318.25
      UTG: $200
      MP: $223.90

      UTG posts $2
      Pre-Flop: A:diamond: A:spade: dealt to Hero (CO)
      UTG checks, MP folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, BB calls $6, UTG folds

      Flop: ($19) 6:diamond: 8:diamond: 9:club: (2 Players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $14, BB raises to $42, Hero calls $28

      Turn: ($103) K:heart: (2 Players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $64, BB raises to $268.25 and is All-In, Hero folds

      Results: $231 Pot ($3 Rake)
      BB mucked and WON $228 (+$114 NET)

      Villian is 25/17/6.5. Flop I decide to flat since i feel his range consists of mainly PP, weak pairs, air or draws, and i have position so i probably flat 75% of the time and shove the rest.
      VBet turn because i wanna charge draws. Bet kind of small so i can get away if he raise. He insta CR me so i figured he is strong and my AA is never good.



      Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      UTG: $200
      MP: $251.25
      CO: $205.35
      Hero (BTN): $197
      SB: $98.10
      BB: $276.25

      Pre-Flop: J:diamond: T:spade: dealt to Hero (BTN)
      3 folds, Hero raises to $6, SB folds, BB raises to $23, Hero calls $17

      Flop: ($47) 4:diamond: A:heart: Q:heart: (2 Players)
      BB bets $32, Hero calls $32

      Turn: ($111) 3:heart: (2 Players)
      BB bets $60, Hero folds

      Results: $111 Pot ($3 Rake)
      BB mucked and WON $108 (+$53 NET)

      Villian is 22/18/4.3 with 3bet freq 10. 3bet me 4 or 5 times already on multiple tables. Since i got position i decide to look him up. Gutshot good enough to float here. Will stab if he checks turn.


      Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      SB: $201
      Hero (BB): $197
      UTG: $204.55
      MP: $288.50
      CO: $133.35
      BTN: $869.50

      Pre-Flop: J:club: J:spade: dealt to Hero (BB)
      3 folds, BTN raises to $7, SB raises to $25, Hero raises to $64, BTN folds, SB raises to $201 and is All-In, Hero calls $133 and is All-In

      Flop: ($401) 4:spade: 7:heart: 2:diamond: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Turn: ($401) 5:club: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: ($401) 4:heart: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $401 Pot ($3 Rake)
      SB showed A:heart: K:heart: (a pair of Fours) and LOST (-$197 NET)
      Hero showed J:club: J:spade: (two pair, Jacks and Fours) and WON $398 (+$201 NET)

      Might have overplay JJ here. Both villians are tags. I sometimes reresteal with air in this spot.


      Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      SB: $267.60
      BB: $447.70
      UTG: $256.55
      CO: $289.70
      Hero (BTN): $297.95

      Pre-Flop: A:diamond: Q:diamond: A:diamond: Q:diamond: dealt to Hero (BTN)
      2 folds, Hero raises to $6, SB calls $5, BB raises to $21, Hero calls $15, SB folds

      Flop: ($48) 6:club: 8:heart: A:spade: (2 Players)
      BB bets $32, Hero calls $32

      Turn: ($112) J:heart: (2 Players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $74, BB calls $74

      River: ($260) 8:diamond: (2 Players)
      BB bets $172, Hero calls $170.95 and is All-In

      Results: $601.90 Pot ($3 Rake)
      BB showed J:club: A:heart: (two pair, Aces and Jacks) and WON $598.90 (+$300.95 NET)
      Hero mucked A:diamond: Q:diamond: A:diamond: Q:diamond: (two pair, Aces and Eights) and LOST (-$297.95 NET)

      Versus a donk 45/18/2.0. He timebanks quite a while before calling turn and semi insta shove on river. I feel he either has a busted draw or beat me. Bad call imo
    • Alexd10
      Alexd10
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      Joined: 07.07.2008 Posts: 609
      Nice blog, unlucky about eh last session, keep it up.


      Hero mucked A:diamond: Q:diamond: A:diamond: Q:diamond: (two pair, Aces and Eights) and LOST (-$297.95 NET)

      I think you should contact full tilt, they have two of the same cards in their decks! :D :P
    • klonoa
      klonoa
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      Joined: 14.01.2007 Posts: 124


      Played awful this session, was lucky to end positive. I guess i need to play more solid and stop getting out of line etc.

      Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      UTG: $286.30
      BTN: $200
      Hero (SB): $200
      BB: $306

      Pre-Flop: A:club: 5:club: dealt to Hero (SB)
      2 folds, Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

      Flop: ($36) T:spade: 9:heart: 9:club: (2 Players)
      Hero checks, BB checks

      Turn: ($36) 7:club: (2 Players)
      Hero bets $24, BB calls $24

      River: ($84) T:club: (2 Players)
      Hero bets $64, BB raises to $264 and is All-In, Hero calls $94 and is All-In

      Results: $400 Pot ($2 Rake)
      Hero mucked A:club: 5:club: (a flush, Ace high) and LOST (-$200 NET)
      BB showed 6:diamond: T:diamond: (a full house, Tens full of Nines) and WON $398 (+$198 NET)

      Worst hand played for the day.

      Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      CO: $52.90
      Hero (BTN): $324.05
      SB: $210.15
      BB: $411.85
      UTG: $285.15
      MP: $219.45

      Pre-Flop: A:spade: K:diamond: dealt to Hero (BTN)
      2 folds, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $8, SB folds, BB raises to $27, CO folds, Hero calls $19

      Flop: ($57) A:diamond: 6:spade: 5:diamond: (2 Players)
      BB bets $40, Hero calls $40

      Turn: ($137) J:spade: (2 Players)
      BB bets $100, Hero raises to $257.05 and is All-In, BB calls $157.05

      River: ($651.10) 6:heart: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $651.10 Pot ($3 Rake)
      Hero showed A:spade: K:diamond: (two pair, Aces and Sixes) and WON $648.10 (+$324.05 NET)
      BB showed 8:diamond: Q:diamond: (a pair of Sixes) and LOST (-$324.05 NET)

      Lucky spot
    • TribunCaesar
      TribunCaesar
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      Joined: 29.04.2007 Posts: 13,264
      Hey Klonoa,

      well, just too many hands to go through them all. In the first posted session: I raise the JJ hand more on the flop. The other hands from the first session look good to me. But I would post them in the hand evaluation forum. 22/18 sounds good. When you have the graph in PT3 you can choose options - graph in $/graph in BB and graph with showdown and non showdown winnings. Post this one please.
      And take your time and play a 4 tabling session to work on your game.

      Best regards,
      TribunCaasar
    • klonoa
      klonoa
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      Joined: 14.01.2007 Posts: 124


      Find anything wrong with this?
    • CyaET
      CyaET
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      omg , sick graph , have you ever won a non showdown pot ? I mean , the red line should be around 0 with a 22/18 style
    • TribunCaesar
      TribunCaesar
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      Joined: 29.04.2007 Posts: 13,264
      Well, it's not as bad a CyaET said, but you goal should be to get the red line as close as possible to break even. looks like you are too weak in several spots.
    • CyaET
      CyaET
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      Yes , in fact , I meant that his biggest leak seem to be in non showdown pots
    • TribunCaesar
      TribunCaesar
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      A graph from me:

    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      Cool to see a from a midstakes NL player :)

      concerning the above discussion: are there any general principles for increasing your profit/decreasing your losses in non-SD pots?
    • klonoa
      klonoa
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      I don't know where im going wrong in NON SD pot though..
    • swissmoumout
      swissmoumout
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      Originally posted by TribunCaesar
      Well, it's not as bad a CyaET said, but your goal should be to get the red line as close as possible to break even. looks like you are too weak in several spots.
      I disagree. I lose a lot in non-sd, but I still kill nl200; it's just a question of style. Aiming for a pretty graph is even worse than aiming for given stats - just focus on your game, and base your judgement about your game according to hands (or ideally, entire sessions), not on the color of your graphs.
    • klonoa
      klonoa
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      Joined: 14.01.2007 Posts: 124
      Just dropped 800+ in a space of 500hands. Lost to couple fishes and watch them donate their stack to other regs. Felt gross and decide to stop. Gonna take a break and continue later.
      Will post daily graphs instead of session graphs from now on.
    • klonoa
      klonoa
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      Went deep in the sunday brawler just now. Ran my top pair into a set. Finished 32nd for $967. Biggest cash in tourney to date, if only i can FT it ..

      As for cash, just played my biggest pot today, 900$+. Lost with set over set :( (




      september 21st
    • klonoa
      klonoa
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      Joined: 14.01.2007 Posts: 124
      Felt like my game is back on track now or might be just experiencing a heater. Made a couple of adjustments to my game, playing much LAG now, maybe something like 26/22. Raising first in with pretty much 70% starting hands from btn co utg+1. Also isolating open limps. Calling hands like KJ IP vs tag preflop etc. Playing more solid vs regs and stacking fishes.

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