Stat doubts on Fix Limit Tournaments

    • Vigpoe
      Vigpoe
      Bronze
      Joined: 04.12.2009 Posts: 135
      Hi,

      I have some questions about the use of stats on Fix limit tournaments.

      - Which are the most interesting stats to show on HUD?
      - Which are the recommended values for a TAG?
      - How to recognize the different villains attending to their stats?
      - How many hands need the stats to be trustfull on each case?


      Thank you very much. Have a nice day.
  • 4 replies
    • Asaban
      Asaban
      Moderator
      Moderator
      Joined: 22.09.2006 Posts: 8,242
      Unfortunately I am a big fish when it comes to fixed limit. Therefore I can't really help you with your request.

      However, I will try to get some feedback from one of our fixed limit experts and will report back afterwards.

      Regards,
      Asaban
    • Boomer2k10
      Boomer2k10
      Bronze
      Joined: 22.09.2010 Posts: 2,551
      Reporting in :)

      None of the stats will converge in a single tournament however Fixed Limit tournaments play quite close to cash game up until the end and even then there are some liberties (but it';s pretty much equity pushing)

      Interesting stats

      C-bet by Street
      Let's you know if he's checking back in areas he shouldn't..i.e. flop, for a cash game you'd be looking at something like 95/70/70-ish, tourney not so sure

      Fold BB to Steal
      Let's you know how easy it is to steal, anything over 35 is too high..basded on what I've seen of FL tournies I wouldn't be surprised if many players had this stat over 50

      Fold to C-Bet By Street
      Let's you know how easy it is to barrell your opponent off hands (Alpha dicates this be something like 20/30/20) so if you see a flop fold/turn fold stat of 40 you know you have an automatically profitable c-bet on any flop but have to be wary as his continuing range will be strong

      Then you've got the standard VPIP/PFR/3BET/WTSD/AFreq but they're not interesting

      TAG Stats

      32/23 is pretty much standard TAG these days in LHE cash games. Anything under 28/20 is pretty nitty

      Recognizing Villains


      Like you would in NL

      Calling station: High VPIP, Low PFR, Low Afreq
      Maniac: High VPIP, High PFR, High AFreq
      Nit: Low VPIP, Low PFR, High Afreq, Low Def BB (Due to stronger range)
      TAG: Good stats
      LAG: Good stats but higher than TAG resulting in potentially lower Afreq

      Other: Have a big gap between PFR and VPIP (like 40/17).

      # of Hands needed


      General Idea is 100's for general Preflop stats and 1000's for anything specific and 10,000 for hyper specific.
    • Asaban
      Asaban
      Moderator
      Moderator
      Joined: 22.09.2006 Posts: 8,242
      Thx Boomer :heart:
    • Vigpoe
      Vigpoe
      Bronze
      Joined: 04.12.2009 Posts: 135
      Help me very much Boomer. You helped me a lot.