bet/bet/bet balancing line or check-raise flop line?

    • eszibit
      eszibit
      Platinum
      Joined: 10.12.2007 Posts: 1,964
      Prima, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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      MP: $211 (105.5 bb)
      CO: $301.95 (151 bb)
      BTN: $548.86 (274.4 bb)
      Hero (SB): $399.25 (199.6 bb)
      BB: $305.75 (152.9 bb)
      UTG: $523.60 (261.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A K
      2 folds, CO raises to $6, BTN folds, Hero raises to $20, BB folds, CO calls $14

      Flop: ($42) 7 2 9 (2 players)
      Hero bets $24, CO calls $24

      Turn: ($90) 7 (2 players)
      Hero bets $58, CO calls $58

      River: ($206) 6 (2 players)
      Hero bets $297.25 and is all-in, CO calls $199.95 and is all-in

      Results:
      $605.90 pot ($3.00 rake)
      Final Board: 7 2 9 7 6
      CO showed T T and won $602.90 ($300.95 net)
      Hero showed A K and lost (-$301.95 net)


      Hi guys,i had this hand yesterday ,anon tables no reads , and i was talking with a friend that plays up to nl600-1k and he played quite a bit of anon tables.

      Basically i was saying that a bet/bet/bet line with AA-JJ for value , AJ diamonds+ probably KQdd and KJdd for bluffing and TT for checkcalling river is easier to balance

      He was sugesting x/r flop because people can spazz out with other flush draws,maybe some straight draws and to punish his bet in position i guess.

      So ,anon tables and 150bb deep. What do you think?
  • 6 replies
    • getdotacom
      getdotacom
      Black
      Joined: 06.04.2008 Posts: 607
      I like c/c with this hand sometimes, at least when u hit the flush no one believes you. I think there is no huge difference which line u take on flop, all 3 are fine. My preference - c/c>c/r>bet.

      As played - This is c/f OTR IMO. At least this hand makes most sense to c/f because we can win sd maybe 1/10 times, c/c isn't so good because we block many fds villain can bluff. So unless we're never c/f this river, this hand makes perfect sense for that.
      Also remember that fd blockers make villains range more pair heavy and it's more likely he's calling, so this hand isn't very good bluff ether.
    • eszibit
      eszibit
      Platinum
      Joined: 10.12.2007 Posts: 1,964
      Hey,thanks for the reply.

      I'm check-calling this hand sometimes too ,but was thinking about a balanced river line.

      What is your bluffing range after you cbet flop and turn on this runnout? Ofcourse it will be better if a Q/J come on the river to bluff but since we have value bets on a 6 ( like pocket 99 , maybe T8s, and AA/KK ) then we need some bluffs too.

      Btw,if you c/c on the flop ,what do you do on the 7 turn. xr makes some kind of sense so we can represent 78s , 67s but so few combos...
    • getdotacom
      getdotacom
      Black
      Joined: 06.04.2008 Posts: 607
      Yeah, we don't have too many bluffs OTR besides flushdraws, maybe something like JTs and some other random crap. But we actually can't have too many bluffs here to be balanced, because our valuebetting range has maybe only 70% equity against villains calling range. It's actually only 65% -
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      988 games 0.000 secs 197,600 games/sec

      Board: 7s 2d 9d 7c 6h
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 65.789% 64.78% 01.01% 640 10.00 { QQ+, A7s, T8s, 97s, 87s, 76s }
      Hand 1: 34.211% 33.20% 01.01% 328 10.00 { QQ-99, 77, 22, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s }

      Since we're potting the river, we could have 2:1 value:bluff ratio if we had 100% equity, not sure how many bluffs we can have with 65%, but I think it's not more than 5:1.


      After c/calling I'd just play in station mode, maybe sometimes ch/shove turn, but I rather just take my chances and hope Ahi is good, we could even c/c 3 streets against some opponents.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,698
      bluffing with straight draws are much better. and if you bluffed 100% of your draws, villain has a very easy calldown with all his bluff catchers. you need to c/f some busted draws, and this hand is the best for giving up

      1. you block A:dX and K:dX. i rather bluff some 4:d3 than A:dK, cos people play way more combos of higher suited hands
      2. you have the best hand sometimes
    • eszibit
      eszibit
      Platinum
      Joined: 10.12.2007 Posts: 1,964
      Ok,thanks guys.

      I think bluffing with straight draws is better if i think about it .
    • Yonose
      Yonose
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.12.2012 Posts: 167
      Originally posted by mbml
      bluffing with straight draws are much better. and if you bluffed 100% of your draws, villain has a very easy calldown with all his bluff catchers. you need to c/f some busted draws, and this hand is the best for giving up

      1. you block A:dX and K:dX. i rather bluff some 4:d3 than A:dK, cos people play way more combos of higher suited hands
      2. you have the best hand sometimes
      +1