Anyone understands this hand? (badugi related)

    • tommygecko
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      Full Tilt Poker Game #33412373488: A Little Badugi (260296099), Table 4 - FL Badugi - 400/800 - 01:09:52 CCT - 2013/10/24 [13:09:52 ET - 2013/10/23]
      Seat 1: Kusiu93 (1,600)
      Seat 3: Greyscorpi (2,740)
      Seat 4: ccc123453 (4,490)
      Seat 5: Mu-Abra (7,090)
      Seat 6: tommygecko (8,180)
      tommygecko posts the small blind of 200
      Kusiu93 posts the big blind of 400
      The button is in seat #5
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      Dealt to tommygecko [2s Qs 6h 3s]
      Greyscorpi folds
      ccc123453 folds
      Mu-Abra has 15 seconds left to act
      Mu-Abra has timed out
      Mu-Abra folds
      Mu-Abra is sitting out
      tommygecko raises to 800
      Kusiu93 raises to 1,200
      tommygecko raises to 1,600
      Mu-Abra has returned
      Kusiu93 calls 400, and is all in
      *** FIRST DRAW *** (Total Pot: 3,200, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
      tommygecko discards 2 cards [Qs 3s]
      Kusiu93 discards 1 card
      Dealt to tommygecko [2s 6h] [Jh Th]
      Kusiu93 is dealt 1 card
      *** SECOND DRAW *** (Total Pot: 3,200, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
      tommygecko discards 2 cards [Jh Th]
      Kusiu93 stands pat
      Dealt to tommygecko [2s 6h] [Qd Kc]
      *** THIRD DRAW *** (Total Pot: 3,200, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
      tommygecko has 15 seconds left to act
      tommygecko discards 2 cards [Qd Kc]
      Kusiu93 discards 1 card
      Dealt to tommygecko [2s 6h] [7c 5h]
      Kusiu93 is dealt 1 card
      *** SHOW DOWN ***
      tommygecko shows [7c 5h 2s 6h] a 3-Card: 7, 5, 2
      Kusiu93 shows [5s 3d Ah 5d] a 3-Card: 5, 3, A
      Kusiu93 wins the pot (3,200) with a 3-Card: 5, 3, A
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 3,200 | Rake 0
      Seat 1: Kusiu93 (big blind) showed [5s 3d Ah 5d] and won (3,200) with a 3-Card: 5, 3, A
      Seat 3: Greyscorpi folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
      Seat 4: ccc123453 folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
      Seat 5: Mu-Abra (button) folded before the Draw (didn't bet)
      Seat 6: tommygecko (small blind) showed [7c 5h 2s 6h] and lost with a 3-Card: 7, 5, 2

      I had a shity K lo badugi after the 2nd draw. So I broke my badugi in the 3rd draw after he stood pat in the 2nd. To my amazement he drew in the 3rd draw??? (Hand was all in before 2nd draw)

      And of course lost the hand because of that. I don't understand what he is trying to do? (Only a misclick makes sense)
  • 12 replies
    • TinoLaan
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      Moved to Other Poker Variants :)
    • tommygecko
      tommygecko
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      Originally posted by TinoLaan
      Moved to Other Poker Variants :)
      Then nobody replies :(
    • Lazza61
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      Hey tommy.

      Certainly very odd play seeing that the pot isn't live. As you know in a live pot this is a common play in both Badugi and 2-7 TD.

      I agree. Only a misclick or timed out makes sense
    • badgerer
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      this tournament is full of inexperienced players and you will see wtf plays almost every hand early on and sometimes even on the ft. dont think about it too much.
    • VorpalF2F
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      I agree that it is odd.
      The purpose of snowing is to get opponent to fold, but since he is all-in, that won't happen.

      Perhaps a 2nd purpose might be to get villain to break a badugi that is J-lo or worse -- which did happen.

      What was the BI for this event?

      Best of luck,
      --VS
    • Lazza61
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      Originally posted by VorpalF2F
      I agree that it is odd.
      The purpose of snowing is to get opponent to fold, but since he is all-in, that won't happen.

      Perhaps a 2nd purpose might be to get villain to break a badugi that is J-lo or worse -- which did happen.

      What was the BI for this event?

      Best of luck,
      --VS
      $2.20 ($100 Gtd)
    • tommygecko
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      Originally posted by VorpalF2F
      I agree that it is odd.
      The purpose of snowing is to get opponent to fold, but since he is all-in, that won't happen.

      Perhaps a 2nd purpose might be to get villain to break a badugi that is J-lo or worse -- which did happen.

      What was the BI for this event?

      Best of luck,
      --VS
      How did he know I have a badugi after my 2nd draw? ?(

      Sick soul read I must have been playing Phil Ivey
    • VorpalF2F
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      Well, he could not know of course, but on the off chance...

      I was thinking later that by patting he might also get you to break a reasonably good 3-card lo

      But then again, misclick seems reasonable.

      If I misclicked a snow, and I'd probably run with it myself.

      But since you can't snow when all in, we're back to "fish gets lucky"

      Cheers,
      --VS
    • badgerer
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      Originally posted by VorpalF2F
      But since you can't snow when all in
      i'm gonna have to disagree with you on this.

      you are all in oop and you believe your opponent has a rough badugi that he will break. i think patting a nutty tri here at least once counts as a snow. you need to be reasonably confident in your read to sacrifice a draw but when it works you gain a shit load of equity.

      if you've ever tried this play in a cash game when you're not all in just watch the villain blow his top when you start drawing trololol.
    • VorpalF2F
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      OK, I'll buy that.

      The situation you describe is similar to what OP experienced.
      --VS
    • badgerer
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      if villain drew 1 then decided to pat bluff 2nd ip after hero drew 2 twice ... they are either crazy or some kind of diabolical badugi genius.
    • tiasam1
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      Misclick imo.
      isn't A35 a way too strong hand to be snowing with?
      Even if Hero would just draw 1 card.