Building Bankroll for HS MTTs

    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Hey guys!

      My name is Aleksi and I'm 21 years old finnish MTT grinder. I've played MTT as my main game for 10 months now, before that I use to be NL50 - NL200 cash game reg. I was a coach at pokerstrategy finnish community for 3 years before they shut us down.

      I was staked for cash games and never really made any savings so I started with 1k bankroll in February 2013. After lot of grinding and struggling with game selection I started playing full time after July 2013. Now I play small field low stakes MTTs.


      Scores after July:



      Month so far:

      Count: 672 (+ 226 games not traked by sharkscope)
      Av Profit: $4.39
      Av Stake: $14.86
      Av ROI: 28.8%
      Profit:$2,948
      Ability: 78
      Active Days: 16
      Av Entrants: 185

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      SHORT TERM GOALS (BEFORE END OF 2013):

      :club: 4k MTTs between november and december 2013.

      :club: 10k$ profits

      :club: Reading at least two self-development books


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      This is my first english pokerblog and I'm not yet sure what and how often I'm going to update this, but my goal is to keep it as interesting as possible without being too much of a timewaster.
  • 102 replies
    • NutzAreOk
      NutzAreOk
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.01.2011 Posts: 7,409
      Nice that you start blogging here too. Definitely gonna follow your updates. :f_thumbsup:

      GL!
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      It's always nice to make profit from Sunday grind. Won 3 tournaments today (930$, 354$ and 171€) and was 4th in 50€ tournament which gave me more than average tournament win.

      I Wasn't really happy about the volume today. I started 2 hours later than I should and some of the tournaments I play every day were cancelled because it's sunday.

      Count: 53
      Profit +1083,44$



      Honestly, tell me how stupid you think my play was. Hand was from 6$ speed rebuy FT, BB was very tricky midstakes reg.

      No Limit Holdem Tournament
      PartyPoker
      5 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      partane (UTG) (739k) 30bb
      CO (219k) 9bb
      BTN (103k) 4bb
      SB (96k) 4bb
      BB (421k) 17bb

      Blinds: 13k/25k

      Pre-Flop: (38k, 5 players) partane is UTG 4:club: 5:spade:
      partane raises to 55k, 3 folds, BB calls 30k

      Flop: 3:spade: 2:spade: 4:diamond: (123k, 2 players)
      BB checks, partane bets 45k, BB calls 45k

      Turn: Q:heart: (212k, 2 players)
      BB bets 319k, partane calls 319k

      River: 6:diamond: (849k, 2 players)

      Final Pot: 849k
      BB shows a pair of queens
      Q:diamond: K:club:
      partane shows a straight, two to six
      4:club: 5:spade:

      partane wins 861k (net +443k)

      BB lost 418k


      My Thoughts:

      My plan was here to minraise any two and exploit ICM by folding to shortstack shoves. As long as shortstacks are in board BB & CO can't really do much to me raising any two cards. If we do this most of the time we will end up with 80 - 90% of the chips with 3 - 4 shortstacks, this way we will increase our EV significantly when going to HU.

      I know some of you really hate the way I played the hand overall, but I really think the biggest mistake here was not to overshove flop. Even tho our opponent would have some equity most of the time he would still have to fold very often, now we give him opportunity to float and c/r.

      Turn decision was really hard. I wasn't really sure should I call or fold, because I'm sure that the best opponent ever has here is Q. It really doesn't make any sence to play anything, but semibluff this way IMO. Even tho I would loose this one, I will be still chip 2nd with 300k chips. I think this was really the worst scenario and it's still very close for a call. I think most the time we are 70/30 here against nutFD or some other combodraw.
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Monday is probably the best or the second best day for MTT grind. It seems that the most of the best regs are taking a break after sunday and FTs are full of fish. I won 3 tournaments (788$, 395$, 214$) and was amazed how there was probably 2 x decent regs in each FT.

      My HU opponent in the biggest one (22$ freezeout 2,7k gtd) was 3betting every single hand, calling all 4bets and playing postflop very randomly. In the end, I staked him by 4betting KK and going AI to some random flop with him holding a flushdraw with T3s. This type of fish is never gets in Sunday FTs, ever wonder why?

      PartyPoker software update somewhat fucked up my set. I didn't really have a back-up plan, because these things happen too rarely. So I basically had to register everything at party before 9pm and I stopped registering hour earlier than I normally would at other sites. I still managed to get the volume I wanted for the day and I'm somewhat back on track to my 4k MTTs volume goal. Profit goal seems to be no problem if I run this good. :f_p:

      Count: 85
      Profit +512,48$
    • TinoLaan
      TinoLaan
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      Joined: 12.10.2011 Posts: 6,411
      Nice to see a real MTT blog here, because there's not that many of them!

      [x] Following
    • sngplayer90
      sngplayer90
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.10.2013 Posts: 23
      Why did you switch from cash games to mtts?
    • iiikrrr
      iiikrrr
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      Joined: 28.07.2010 Posts: 524
      Fissssssssh :f_cool:

      GL though.. :p
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Yesterday same problem with party. Started session around 5pm finnish time and registered 7 tournaments which were all cancelled. Gladly they paid almost all my buy-ins back so no harm done.

      I'm amazed how well 3barrel bluffs work at late stages of the tournament. No one seems to be very well balanced, every reg has tendency to raise anything decent at flop or turn. If they have a weak made hand, draw or float they will call once or twice and most of the time just fold the river, because often there's not enough reads to depend on.

      In cash games I would be owned if I would make these 3barrels as often as I do in MTTs, but I don't know what to tell you. It just works basically every single time, specially in 3bet pot to Axx or Kxx boards. 2 examples I posted aren't actually even the most optimal spots for bluff. Your stack is often the determining factor.

      Spot #2:

      You really shouldn't bluff unless you are sure that your image is tight and your opponent is capable of folding his bluffcathers and weak enough to fold his bluffcathers. You are putting your tournament life in the line and your opponent is not.

      Spot #1:

      I wish I would remember is this from 6max FT or FT bubble. If it's from FT bubble I like it very much even tho, we want to be often the bigger stack when making this plays. In FT this would marginal play and I don't think our opponent is that likely to fold Ax here 3-handed. You really should pay attention in which spots MTT regs make their big bluffs and not make those bluffs. Bottom line you should bluff when others don't, that means FT, FT bubble, Late states just before ITM or Pay-jump. You shouldn't bluff that often when there's nothing to loose and people expect you to bluff (ITM with no pay-jump or very small pay-jumps far away from FT). People expect you to bluff 3-handed and HU even tho there's most to loose and most edge to gain. Often I think you shouldn't make 3barrel bluffs at all in HU, your opponent is more likely to spew his stack to you than give credit. You should try very loose valuebets and 3barrel. I often might 3barrel with middlepair + top kicker and villain check/calls me with worse pair or even with ace high if I'm lucky. Ironically enough, you often should make 3barrel bluffs against fishes (unless fish is a total retard) because fishes are more likely to play more hands, call flop looser, but fold to your turn & riverbets more often.

      #1
      $1.3k/$2.5k Ante $250 No Limit Holdem
      HoldemManager
      3 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      BTN ($97k) 39bb
      SB ($84k) 34bb
      Hero (BB) ($62k) 25bb

      Pre-Flop: ($4.5k, 3 players) Hero is BB K:club: 7:heart:
      BTN raises to $5k, SB folds, Hero raises to $11k, BTN calls $6.3k

      Flop: 10:spade: 6:heart: A:spade: ($25k, 2 players)
      Hero bets $9.0k, BTN calls $9.0k

      Turn: K:diamond: ($42k, 2 players)
      Hero bets $13k, BTN calls $13k

      River: 4:heart: ($69k, 2 players)
      Hero goes all-in $28k, BTN folds

      Final Pot: $97k
      Hero shows
      K:club: 7:heart:

      Hero wins $97k (net +$35k)

      BTN lost $34k


      #2
      $600/$1200 Ante $125 No Limit Holdem
      HoldemManager
      5 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($78,304) 65bb
      CO ($29,043) 24bb
      Hero (BTN) ($41,791) 35bb
      SB ($33,123) 28bb
      BB ($27,739) 23bb

      Pre-Flop: ($2,425, 5 players) Hero is BTN Q:diamond: A:spade:
      UTG raises to $2,400, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4,488, 2 folds, UTG calls $2,088

      Flop: 9:diamond: 10:diamond: J:diamond: ($11,401, 2 players)
      UTG checks, Hero bets $3,998, UTG calls $3,998

      Turn: 2:club: ($19,397, 2 players)
      UTG checks, Hero bets $7,999, UTG calls $7,999

      River: 4:spade: ($35,395, 2 players)
      UTG checks, Hero goes all-in $25,181, UTG folds

      Final Pot: $60,576
      Hero shows
      Q:diamond: A:spade:

      Hero wins $60,576 (net +$18,785)

      UTG lost $16,610


      Count: 69
      Profit +502,06$


      Originally posted by sngplayer90
      Why did you switch from cash games to mtts?
      Fair question. I tried cash games for 3 years and never got higher than being NL200 reg and taking shots to NL400. Even tho I am a lot better player than I was at the time, I really don't think that my edge has got any greater in last few years because everyone else has improved too. To be successful in cash games today it's not enough that you're a very good player, you also need to be a good grinder. I always had problem with spewing in cash games when playing long hours. If you are a cash game player and you play 2 - 3 hours a day, try playing for 6 - 8 hours for a week or two and you see what I mean. If you can do that you will probably make more money from cash games than MTTs, but if not it's more likely that MTT suits you better because games a lot more softer and it's easier to grind. I actually would say the same about Sit & Gos even tho I think it's probably easier to make 10k or 100k profit from SNGs compared to cash games. Imo Sit & Gos are really the toughest ones to play professionally, because you can't sit & out for a 5 minutes at any point and you don't have sheduled breaks. That's the reason I really think that lot of SNG regs would be more successful if they would just focus on MTTs.

      I don't mean this to be a guideline to every single forum member, because some of us obviously can't/don't want to play 6 - 8 hours a day and if you're a beginner you should start from SNG or cash games if you really want to be good. By this I meant players like me who are pros or have a determined goal to be pros at somepoint.
    • raver81
      raver81
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      Joined: 23.12.2008 Posts: 1,175
      you did great job on finnish community,best of luck to your mtt project.->Add Thread to Favorites :f_love:
    • NutzAreOk
      NutzAreOk
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.01.2011 Posts: 7,409
      No that we get our Finnish corner open, you can also continue blogging in Finnish too. :f_grin:
    • ARTZIPOPA
      ARTZIPOPA
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.08.2008 Posts: 59
      Hi Aleksi!

      You said you switched to MTTs because you felt like not improving in cash games. Someone like you, who's playing for living and as a pro, doesn't it however always come down to making money? So do feel like you can reach better profit/hour in tournaments than in cash games?

      Not hard to believe, that in tournaments skill level of players over all for sure is a lot weaker than it is in nl50+ cash games. But isn't it also a lot harder to take advantage over your opponents in tournaments, because it's pretty much always the effective stacks that kind of determines your correct game strategy in certain situations against certain players? And of course because it's tournaments, luck factor is a lot higher. To win a tournament, you must run good in more than one spot during tournament.

      And playing such a high volume as you have planned, it takes so many hours/day to reach that. So if being a bit lazy grinder in cash games, how comes you being more hard working in tournaments? Is it just the fact that tournaments are always progressing and playing adjusting not only because of you opponents, but also because of blinds getting bigger all the time? Simply meaning tournaments just are that much more interesting than cash games.

      Looking your first post in this blog seems like your av.stake is ~15d, and you say you play small field tournaments. Guessing you dont play at stars that much then? Or what is small field for you? 1000-, 500-, or 200- players?

      You have been grinding tournaments now for pretty long time, how has it felt? Do still like it more than times at cash tables? How has your daily rhythm built out? Starting every evening after six and playing through the night till the morning and then sleep till the afternoon? Or is it possible to get somewhat humane day rhythm when trying to get a living out of it and trying to do sensible game selection? Feel like being MTT pro you must be more isolated from outside world than a cash game player?

      Lots of questions, and it's all right if you don't want to answer them all :) I'm just very intrested myself about being a MTT pro at now days. I have always felt the passion to go for it, but every time when started after few weeks I've just give up, feeling it's just way too much work and taking so much time out off your normal outside tables life.

      Wish you all the best and luck to the tables! This blog going to my favorites and I will be following. Keep on grinding!
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Count: 68
      Profit +233,65$


      No wins yesterday, but I was 3th in 6$+R at Party and won 646$ (1,7k for the win).

      Someone like you, who's playing for living and as a pro, doesn't it however always come down to making money? So do feel like you can reach better profit/hour in tournaments than in cash games?


      Yes and yes.

      But isn't it also a lot harder to take advantage over your opponents in tournaments, because it's pretty much always the effective stacks that kind of determines your correct game strategy in certain situations against certain players? And of course because it's tournaments, luck factor is a lot higher.


      I think this is somewhat true, but there's actually really simple skillset of moves you need to learn to crush MTTs and won lot of money. At the end of the day it all comes to gameselection. You can be the best player in the world, but if you don't gameselect or you gameselect poorly, you are not going to win as much you should. There is lot of MTT regs that are poor gameselectors and probably they all just think they run bad.

      Good gameselection reduces variance. You shouldn't focus how much is for the win, you should focus how much you make on average by registering to tournament.

      So if being a bit lazy grinder in cash games, how comes you being more hard working in tournaments?


      I've just changed my working habits complitely, set clear goals and go for whats mine. Nothing more, nothing less.

      Looking your first post in this blog seems like your av.stake is ~15d, and you say you play small field tournaments. Guessing you dont play at stars that much then? Or what is small field for you? 1000-, 500-, or 200- players?


      Pokerstars is the first place you should avoid unless you're a high stakes reg. Big & Hot tournaments are very good if you have big bankroll, if not I would recommend just avoiding pokerstars. Most of the tournaments I play have less than 200 players.

      How has your daily rhythm built out? Starting every evening after six and playing through the night till the morning and then sleep till the afternoon? Or is it possible to get somewhat humane day rhythm when trying to get a living out of it and trying to do sensible game selection? Feel like being MTT pro you must be more isolated from outside world than a cash game player?


      I think you just have to manage your time better. You don't have to be grinding every night from 6pm to 6am, but you obviously want to reach your volume goal every month. Watch less TV, spend less time in facebook and sleep 6 - 8 hours a night instead of 10 - 12 hours like some pokerplayers do and you notice it doesn't effect your social life that much. For me this kind of grinding is just temporary, obviously I have to make some sacrifices because I want to reach my goals in very short period of time.
    • MikaIV
      MikaIV
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      Joined: 17.10.2010 Posts: 30
      What sites do you recommend for ABI of $3-$10 for the avg. field of 200-300?

      888 seems good but party doesn't seem to have many for lower buy-ins...
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Count: 157
      Profit: +138,88$


      3 wins since last update, but as you can see winning MTTs doesn't always mean that you make huge profit. I also was 6th in 11r partypoker two days ago. It's somewhat frustrating when have changes to win 4-figs, but you don't. Well at least it's been full 7 days without a losing session. :)

      I've started to add some flatting when playing shortstaked. This type of approach seems to give huge edge against lot of random players and weak regs. Hopefully I have some interesting hands to post next time.

      Originally posted by MikaIV
      What sites do you recommend for ABI of $3-$10 for the avg. field of 200-300?

      888 seems good but party doesn't seem to have many for lower buy-ins...
      Party & Ongame all rebuys up 6$, all freezeouts up to 11$. Not sure about 888 because I've never played there. RAY is also good for finnish low stakes grinder, there's lot of small buy-in MTTs with small fields and something like 6 regs in total.
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Count: 158
      Profit: -895,31$


      It's been hard last two days. Had some changes to win big, but just couldn't make it after all. Yesterday was basic sunday -0,8k. I probably should just skip higher than 22d freezes and 11d rebuys.

      Unfortunately I don't have time to post & analyse any hands to today, but will promise to do that in the next post.

      $429/$858 Ante $250 No Limit Holdem
      PartyPoker
      7 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($111,823) 130bb
      UTG+1 ($32,137) 37bb
      MP1 ($63,618) 74bb
      MP2 ($44,240) 52bb
      CO ($67,845) 79bb
      BTN ($79,516) 93bb
      BB ($1,108) 1bb

      Pre-Flop: ($2,858, 7 players) Hero is Q:spade: A:diamond:
      Hero raises to $5,000, 2 folds, MP1 raises to $7,500, 3 folds, Hero goes all-in $88,802, MP1 goes all-in $55,868

      Flop: 6:spade: 8:club: 5:heart: ($129,594, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      Turn: 4:club: ($129,594, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: 2:heart: ($129,594, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      Final Pot: $129,594
      BB shows
      4:diamond: 2:spade:
      Hero shows
      Q:spade: A:diamond:
      MP1 shows
      A:spade: K:diamond:

      MP1 wins $125,020 (net +$61,402)
      BB wins $4,574 (net +$3,466)

      Hero collects $25,434 (net -$63,618)


      Could you ever find fold here? 13bb effective agaist tight reg 11r in party.


      $75/$150 No Limit Holdem
      PokerStars
      9 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($8,148) 54bb
      UTG+1 ($5,734) 38bb
      MP1 ($6,751) 45bb
      MP2 ($4,036) 27bb
      MP3 ($2,485) 17bb
      CO ($8,780) 59bb
      partane (BTN) ($5,190) 35bb
      SB ($4,250) 28bb
      BB ($4,595) 31bb

      Pre-Flop: ($225, 9 players) partane is BTN A:diamond: 8:club:
      5 folds, CO raises to $300, partane calls $300, 2 folds

      Flop: 9:diamond: 10:diamond: 9:spade: ($825, 2 players)
      CO bets $375, partane calls $375

      Turn: 8:heart: ($1,575, 2 players)
      CO checks, partane checks

      River: 7:club: ($1,575, 2 players)
      CO bets $787, partane calls $787

      Final Pot: $3,149
      CO shows
      9:club: A:club:
      partane shows
      A:diamond: 8:club:

      CO wins $3,149 (net +$1,687)

      partane lost $1,462


      This is somewhat interesting even tho it's from early stages. I think we should almost always raise here instead of call. When playing small stakes it's ok to just call here because you play against opponents who bluff here too often. If you're playing in pokerstars or just higher buy-in tournament, regs are often betting here wide for value but not bluffing that much. We can easily rep a Jack, 66, 77 by raising and I believe that most of the time we get respect from good reg. River raise bluffs happen very rearly in MTTs.

      $5k/$10k Ante $1.3k No Limit Holdem
      PokerStars
      9 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($577k) 58bb
      UTG+1 ($369k) 37bb
      MP1 ($521k) 52bb
      MP2 ($443k) 44bb
      MP3 ($446k) 45bb
      Hero (CO) ($402k) 40bb
      BTN ($191k) 19bb
      SB ($761k) 76bb
      BB ($169k) 17bb

      Pre-Flop: ($26k, 9 players) Hero is CO 8:heart: A:heart:
      3 folds, MP2 raises to $20k, 1 fold, Hero calls $20k, 3 folds

      Flop: 3:heart: 9:spade: 4:diamond: ($66k, 2 players)
      MP2 bets $28k, Hero calls $28k

      Turn: 7:club: ($122k, 2 players)
      MP2 bets $55k, Hero raises to $126k, MP2 folds

      Final Pot: $303k
      Hero shows
      8:heart: A:heart:

      Hero wins $303k (net +$128k)

      MP2 lost $104k


      This is from the 22d bigger deeprun. I had a little bit floaty image, but I had not anything close to this at point. I think in this spot often either a reg makes a mistake and doesn't fold or he makes a right play and folds. This really is just about is he in his A-game or not.

      When I started play MTTs I was little bit unsure to make bluffs against MTT regs, because I wasn't really sure in which spots they're capable of folding and what they're capable of folding. I think often it's really not that much what you're repping. Here in his point of view I'm probably repping a set or 97s which is pretty thin range. Still you're going to get AA here to fold from time to time because it's really just a bluffcather.

      It just seems that there's a million spots in MTTs were you can basically rape your opponent complitely by making a play which he has to give credit. By giving credit I mean folding very close to 100% of his range.
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Count: 62
      Profit: +2404,64$


      Had little bit shorter session yesterday. I was broke in 2 of my main sites after sunday and waiting for withdrawal from 2 others so I had mix in some pokerstars large field MTTs. I was 2nd in pokerstars 2,20+R 2x turbo (2545$), 1st in ongame 54d turbo (701$) and 2nd in ongame 11r (463$).

      It sometimes feels that it might be +EV to pass some of the tournaments and play more focused better game. Even tho I think I'm a good gameselector, I often struggle with things like "register or not". More than too often I've had something like 20 tables running and I still had this feeling that I have to register to this 11$ freezeout for extra 5$. Sometimes I've even had 2 - 4 tournaments registered in next 30minutes which has caused a disaster in my computer screen (2 screens fit for 24-tabling). Yesterday I played less tables and I think I played better and more focused, I didn't blindout even once and I ended up making a good profit.

      I didn't make a blogpost just for brag (even tho it is enough for a reason). I also wanted to post few hands in which I did some flatting shortstaked.

      $200/$400 Ante $40 No Limit Holdem
      HoldemManager
      7 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($25,370) 63bb
      UTG+1 ($11,472) 29bb
      MP ($15,030) 38bb
      CO ($8,705) 22bb
      BTN ($8,914) 22bb
      SB ($14,659) 37bb
      partane (BB) ($4,840) 12bb

      Pre-Flop: ($880, 7 players) partane is BB A:heart: 9:club:
      2 folds, MP raises to $1,000, 3 folds, partane calls $600

      Flop: 9:diamond: 6:club: Q:diamond: ($2,480, 2 players)
      partane checks, MP bets $1,200, partane goes all-in $3,800, MP calls $2,600

      Turn: 8:club: ($10,080, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: 8:heart: ($10,080, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: $10,080
      partane shows
      A:heart: 9:club:
      MP shows
      J:diamond: K:heart:

      partane wins $10,080 (net +$5,240)

      MP lost $4,840


      I think the first one is really basic spot to make this play. We could shove here, but because were not sure about our FE or how many worse hands is he calling us with(some hand like A5s would be better example). We can flat here and our basic strategy would be check/jam most of the flops.

      $160k/$320k Ante $32k No Limit Holdem
      HoldemManager
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($1,367k) 4bb
      UTG+1 ($7,903k) 25bb
      CO ($4,306k) 13bb
      BTN ($6,090k) 19bb
      partane (SB) ($3,960k) 12bb
      BB ($2,789k) 9bb

      Pre-Flop: ($672k, 6 players) partane is SB A:diamond: 6:spade:
      3 folds, BTN raises to $704k, partane calls $544k, 1 fold

      Flop: 7:heart: 2:heart: K:spade: ($1,920k, 2 players)
      partane checks, BTN bets $883k, partane goes all-in $3,224k, BTN folds

      Final Pot: $6,027k
      partane shows
      A:diamond: 6:spade:

      partane wins $6,027k (net +$2,067k)

      BTN lost $1,619k


      It's close to FT-bubble (12 left or something) and we could shove here profitable any two cards (opponents BU raise 100% so far). Obviously this close to FT, we don't want to take that many marginal plays because there's too much to loose and shorter stacks still on board. You should always consider are you the shortest stack or not. If you are shortest stack you can take more risks specially at FT with shoves & calls, but if you are not you should operate with much tighter ranges.

      Our plan is basically the same. We are not going to c/jam flops like J 8 9, but were going to c/jam most of the flops.


      $250k/$500k Ante $50k No Limit Holdem
      HoldemManager
      3 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      BTN ($13,354k) 27bb
      SB ($5,470k) 11bb
      partane (BB) ($7,591k) 15bb

      Pre-Flop: ($900k, 3 players) partane is BB K:club: K:heart:
      BTN raises to $1,000k, SB folds, partane calls $500k

      Flop: J:spade: 9:spade: 4:spade: ($2,400k, 2 players)
      partane checks, BTN bets $1,500k, partane goes all-in $6,541k, BTN calls $5,041k

      Turn: 7:diamond: ($15,482k, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: 5:spade: ($15,482k, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: $15,482k
      partane shows
      K:club: K:heart:
      BTN shows
      10:diamond: J:club:

      partane wins $15,482k (net +$7,891k)

      BTN lost $7,591k


      Even tho you might think I do this for balansing reasons, it's really not about balansing. I might do balansing agaist 4 - 5 regs I play against every day, but most of the time there just isn't enough reasons to do that. I just think that it's optimal here to call instead of shove because of the ICM effect. We can't really shove that wide and SB is a tight lowstakes reg who is not going to shove that wide, BU who is in CL knows that and is capable of minraise/folding a lot here. So this time we slowplay our KK and hope he hits some piece of the flop and make our standard c/jam which we could make with a wide range of hands.

      $800/$1600 Ante $160 No Limit Holdem
      OnGame
      9 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($23,220) 15bb
      UTG+1 ($39,418) 25bb
      MP1 ($19,151) 12bb
      MP2 ($69,714) 44bb
      MP3 ($56,937) 36bb
      CO ($62,300) 39bb
      BTN ($7,047) 4bb
      SB ($26,851) 17bb
      partane (BB) ($12,410) 8bb

      Pre-Flop: ($3,840, 9 players) partane is BB J:heart: 10:heart:
      3 folds, MP2 raises to $3,200, 4 folds, partane calls $1,600

      Flop: A:club: 6:club: K:club: ($8,640, 2 players)
      partane goes all-in $9,050, MP2 calls $9,050

      Turn: 7:club: ($26,740, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: Q:heart: ($26,740, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: $26,740
      partane shows STRAIGHT ACE
      J:heart: 10:heart:
      MP2 shows PAIR ACE
      8:heart: A:heart:

      partane wins $26,740 (net +$14,330)

      MP2 lost $12,410


      I don't think that this is good spot for this play most of the time. We are in FT with 8bbs and we are not the shortest stack. This time I had some reads to depend on. Raiser is a fish and he's raising very wide, still I'm expect him to fold unless he hits a pair. So our plan is to donkshove our air and any 8 outs+ draw, were not going to shove boards like 552r or 742r, but were going to shove any Qxx, Kxx, Axx, 87x and so on. If the board is Jxx, Txx were going to c/jam to get more value from fish.
    • MikaIV
      MikaIV
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.10.2010 Posts: 30
      Have you done EV-calculations on those flat-check/raise spots? How do you know they are more profitable than just resteal or fold?
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Originally posted by MikaIV
      Have you done EV-calculations on those flat-check/raise spots? How do you know they are more profitable than just resteal or fold?
      Against some players it's not more profitable or you have change your gameplan. It really depends who are you against with.

      I did EV-calculation for A6o assuming flop is K72 and villain raising BU 40% (having all Kxo, Kxs in his opening range) cbet/fold 100% of his air and cbet/call 100% with middlepair or better + 8 outs draws. I got pretty much the same EV for this play vs shove, I think shove was 10k chips more profitable. I think it's really hard to actually make EV calculations to spots like this because there's million scenarios and million different opponents and EVs are always very marginal when playing this shortstaked.

      I've just came to conclusion that this type of play works well when the ranges go wider and you are better of evaluting your equity to different flops than your opponent is. I probably have to check some exact numbers from my HEM after 6 months or so, but for now I just have to assume that things I do are the right ones.
    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Count: 239
      Profit: -1627,38$


      Typical DS. Can't win a coinflip and when you run deep and get to FT you seem to successfully use every change to spew out and finish 7th - 10th places. It's has been 3 days, but it's felt like a week or two. :f_frown:

      It really doesn't seem to effect about handling downswings if you play high volume or not. Even tho you play more games and longer sessions your hours, days and weeks seem to be longer than it would be if you play less. I've played 2 weeks now without taking a day off, it has felt more like a month. Obviously I have to take some break soon to avoid burnout, but there hasn't been really that many signs for that yet.


    • partane
      partane
      Silver
      Joined: 15.11.2009 Posts: 3,497
      Count: 133
      Profit: +1075,95$



      It's time to wrap up the month. Because it's sunday and I have things to do, I'm going to do this fast.

      November 2013:

      Count: 1922 (sharkscope is missing 400 games)
      Profit: +6051,52$




      Even tho I'm happy with the results, I still think there's lot of room for improvement. I'm missing 78 from my monthly goal and I'm really not that happy about 3,14$ avg profit. I really should be able to at least double it without moving up limits.

      You should use about 30 minutes from each day to self-motivation. Motivational videos are one approach, but you can also just see your list of written goals and visualize yourself achieving your goals. This is really effective and easy way to get yourself motivated when you feel lazy or you don't feel like playing. Even tho this is pretty obvious I don't think that many people do it.