[NL2-NL10] Nl10 88

    • davidangel
      davidangel
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      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 456
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      MP1:
      $4.00
      Hero:
      $1.50
      MP3:
      $1.85
      CO:
      $7.00

      0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8:spade: , 8:club:
      UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 3 folds, MP1 calls $0.40.

      Flop: ($2.15) 4:diamond: , 7:club: , 2:heart: (4 players)
      MP1 checks, Hero bets $1.00 (All-In), MP3 calls $1.00, CO calls $1.00, MP1 folds.

      Turn: ($5.15) 7:spade: (2 players)
      MP3 bets $0.35 (All-In), CO calls $0.35.

      River: ($5.85) 7:heart:


      Final Pot: $5.85

      This table was limpy and passive, I didn't expect so many callers as I had not played a hand in a long long time....
  • 8 replies
    • Puciek
      Puciek
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      fold pref 88 in mid, raise them from CO and further
    • 2DHades
      2DHades
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      Joined: 25.01.2008 Posts: 515
      just fold pf
    • alejandrosh
      alejandrosh
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      Joined: 02.07.2008 Posts: 4,346
      mp2 is too early to raise your eights, if you had a bigger sample size i would isolate a guy with 50 vpip and tight people left to act.

      as played, you have a overpair, overpair=nuts on SSS so push
    • TheBu11d0g
      TheBu11d0g
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      Joined: 25.07.2008 Posts: 2,019
      Originally posted by Puciek
      fold pref 88 in mid, raise them from CO and further
      #1

      its definately -EV in the long time playing them from early/mid position. DON'T DO IT :D
    • 098799
      098799
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      Joined: 23.07.2007 Posts: 1,245
      You know the theory - had been told by other users ;) . Flop push is normal, raising 88 isn't such a big sin from mp2 from time to time...
    • davidangel
      davidangel
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      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 456
      Thank you 098799.
      I have noticed that on lower limits, if you find a very weak table you can increase some of your marginal hands. They will often only call you preflop anyway, even with AK or QQ. If I am at such a table (and I dont look for these tables, I only adjust play if I notice) some simple adjustments are:
      Play AQ from UTG (AQs even better)
      Play 88 like 99
      Play TT from UTG
      Play AT like AJ
      Complete SB with KJs or QJs or any PP (2 limpers minimum, 3+ preffered)
      5 limpers = complete SB with any hand a BSS would
      And sometimes (very rare) on real limpy tables you can get away with calling any PP from any position for set value. If I hit I bet potsize flop and push the turn. Calling stations love to get to the river, but they wont call you there unless they have a medium to large hand, ie, they made thier 4 outer etc... so I always push my set on the turn on NL10, regardless of position/stack etc.
      Again though, I do not do these kind of plays just anytime, the table has to "feel" right, and I mostly ask myself "are they really donks, or do I just think they are?"

      Doing this:
      my 22 are -6BB
      my 33 are -7 BB and +16.5 BB
      my 44 are -23 BB
      my 55 are -4 BB and +18 BB
      my 66 are + 68.5 BB

      totals for limpy PPs -40BB +103BB
      net +63BB
      Keep in mind this is a very small sample size on small limits
      Here is why the 44 are so negative....

      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $1.80
      MP1:
      $7.25
      MP3:
      $3.40
      BU:
      $10.00

      0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 4:club: , 4:spade:
      UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.20, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.20, CO folds, BU calls $0.20, SB folds, Hero calls $0.10.

      Flop: ($0.85) T:spade: , 8:heart: , 4:heart: (4 players)
      Hero bets $0.60, MP1 calls $0.60, 2 folds.

      Turn: ($2.05) 5:heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.00 (All-In), MP1 calls $1.00.

      River: ($4.05) J:spade:


      Final Pot: $4.05

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows three of a kind, fours (4c 4s)
      MP1 shows three of a kind, tens (Tc Td)

      MP1 wins with three of a kind, tens (Tc Td)

      I was getting correct odds to call preflop, and I was last to act as well.
    • 098799
      098799
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      Joined: 23.07.2007 Posts: 1,245
      About your adjustments: I never limp preflop while shortstacking on NL10. Just never. I may raise a little bit more freely, but am willing to fold if face big reraise. But that's all. Try to wait for adjustments until you'll be playing on higher limits, that way you can also read our silver and gold articles about short stack play.

      About limping with pocket pairs: there's a rule of thumb that says you should do it only if you can call preflop tha amount of at most 1/20th of your effective stack. In the hand you posted you violated (a little, but I like being on the safe side) this rule, so it was marginal. On the flop nice hand of course.

      So read some bss articles, they have some info on limping for set value and call20 rule.
    • davidangel
      davidangel
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      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 456
      Thanks for the advice.
      I will take suited-connectors off the list
      From what you say I get the idea of call20 rule, but will read up on it as well.
      I will also read BSS articles. I have a little ways to go before my BR supports BSS beyond NL2 :D
      I get what you say about loosening up a little, but fold out to aggression. Not all my 66 hands were limps either, a few of them I played as 77 late pos and raised standard, c-bet vs 1 etc