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[NL2-NL10] NL25 semibluff on the flop

    • JoJo0606
      Joined: 07.02.2008 Posts: 49
      $0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
      8 players
      Converted at

      UTG ($15.00)
      UTG 1 ($30.95)
      MP1 ($7.55)
      MP2 ($37.80)
      CO ($26.95)
      Hero ($4.65)
      SB ($24.75)
      BB ($24.30)

      Pre-flop: ($0.35, 8 players) Hero is BTN K:diamond: Q:club:
      1 fold, UTG 1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1, UTG 1 calls $1

      Flop: 4:heart: J:diamond: 9:club: ($3.85, 3 players)
      BB checks, UTG 1 checks, Hero goes all-in $3.40, BB calls $3.40, UTG 1 folds

      Turn: Q:heart: ($10.65, 2 players)

      River: J:spade: ($10.65, 2 players)

      Final Pot: $10.65
      BB shows: 9:diamond: 9:spade:
      Hero shows: K:diamond: Q:club:

      BB wins $10.15 ( won $5.50 )
      UTG 1 lost -$1.25
      Hero lost -$4.65

      Since it was checked to me and i was the PF agressor i thought i had enough FE and outs to make a push here profitable. Looking back now im not so sure so i figure its best to ask :P
  • 6 replies
    • johnbeattie85
      Joined: 11.09.2008 Posts: 716
      I probably would have checked or mini-raised on the flop since there are still two players in.
    • TheBu11d0g
      Joined: 25.07.2008 Posts: 2,019
      As you was the pre-flop aggressor and you hit a gutshot draw then pushing all in was a correct play IMO as a 2/3 pot raise would have been more than 50% of your stack anyway.

      I would definately make a note on the player though re:on how he played after hitting a mid set.
    • IngolPoker
      Joined: 05.09.2006 Posts: 10,485
      standard would be checkbehind as you dont have a strong draw

      @john: a minbet is not at all an option! all you achieve is to reopen the betting round!

      one can push here if you think the opponents will fold often enough (if not, you still have up to 10 outs)

      but i prefer a check and take the free card
    • johnbeattie85
      Joined: 11.09.2008 Posts: 716
      Or test if the villian is slowplaying without comitting your entire stack. But I guess I was speaking a bit retrospectively there having seen the results. You'll have to forgive me, it's really late :)
    • davidangel
      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 456
      Yes, check behind vs 2. You have position so a check is not seen as weakness, you still have your pre-flop initiative going to the turn. In this case a Q comes for you and you are in a much better spot, able to raise or reraise with confidence (in this hand you are facing a cooler, hard to get away from, but if the turn blanks its doubtful the set will check again and will help you by betting you out). Fold flop to any bet more than 1:4 bet size
      Never minbet, its like throwing your bait into the water and hoping to attract fish. At the end of the day you have less bait and less fish.
    • IngolPoker
      Joined: 05.09.2006 Posts: 10,485
      @john: what do you find out?

      "oh, damn, he is pushing all in, can i fold? oops, i cant, because i have so many outs"