iPoker network changes in detail

    • MJPerry
      MJPerry
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      Joined: 03.10.2011 Posts: 4,908

      Last week, we announced impending changes to the iPoker network's game offerings.

      Here are the details of iPoker's optimisation including currency consolidation, player protection, game structure, and games offered. Feel free to ask us any further questions about the changes.


      USD table removal

      The first stage of the optimisation is the removal of USD cash games for both regular and Speed Hold'em tables for all games.

      Hold'em and Omaha games from 0.01/0.02 to 0.50/1: will be converted to EUR on January 06, 2014
      All Speed Hold'em games: will be converted to EUR on January 06, 2014
      All Stud games: will be converted to EUR on January 06, 2014
      Hold'em and Omaha games from 1/2 and up: will be converted to EUR on January 13, 2014
      Low-profile/non-guaranteed tournaments and SNGs: conversion begins on November 25 and all tournaments will be converted by January 01, 2014.

      NOTE: tournaments will be converted to a roughly equivalent value to the USD games. For example, the nightly $5+ $0.50 $2,500 gtd rebuy will have a buy-in of €3.70 + €0.30 and a guarantee of €2,000.


      Table variant consolidation

      Currently iPoker offers 7 table types (shallow, normal, 50BB, etc) in three currencies and two speeds. With the recent introduction of time banks, the network has determined that consolidating the gametypes is more efficient.

      From December 02, there will be 4 table types - Shallow (20 - 50BBs), Normal (40 - 100BBs), Ante (100BBs, antes), and Anonymous (30 - 100BBs).

      These will have a time bank of 20 seconds for No-Limit Hold'em, 25 seconds for Pot-Limit Omaha, and 20 seconds for Speed Hold'em.

      10-max SNG games will be converted to 9-max, with several gametypes being removed (all multi-table SNGs with more than 18 players and some others). SNGs will be converted to EUR on December 02 and throughout December.


      Removal of less-used stakes

      iPoker will also remove several of the unpopular and less cost-effective stakes currently offered. The following games will be removed on December 02:

      X =
      removed
      No-Limit Hold'em Fixed-Limit Hold'em Omaha
      HU 6-max Full Ring
      HU 6-max Full Ring HU 6-max Full Ring
      3/6



      X


      X
      5/10



      X

      10/20 X
      X
      X


      25/50 X
      X



      The following games will be removed on December 09:

      X =
      removed
      No-Limit Hold'em Fixed-Limit Hold'em Omaha
      HU 6-max Full Ring
      HU 6-max Full Ring HU 6-max Full Ring
      50/100 X

      X X
      X X
      X
      X
      X
      100/200 X
      X
      X
      X X X X
      X
      X
      200/400 X X
      X X X
      X
      X
      X


      Full ring Fixed-Limit Hold'em games will be removed across all limits.


      Questions?

      We understand that iPoker regulars may have questions or concerns about these changes - please feel free to ask them here and we will do our best to answer.
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    • MJPerry
      MJPerry
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      Joined: 03.10.2011 Posts: 4,908

      Here are the full details of Sit & Go and Multi-Table Tournament buy-in changes.

      Heads-up SNGs (normal & turbo)
      Current buy-ins
      New buy-ins
      Buy-in Fee Buy-in Fee
      - -
      €0.46 €0.04
      $1 $0.05 €0.92 €0.08
      $2 $0.10 €1.84 €0.16
      $5 $0.25 €4.65 €0.35
      $10 $0.50 €9.40 €0.60
      $20 $1 €18.80 €1.20
      $30 $1.50 €28.30 €1.70
      $50 $2.50 €47.50 €2.50
      $100 $5 €95 €5
      $200 $10 €192 €8
      $350 $15 €290 €10
      $500 $20 €485 €15
      $1,000 $30 €979 €21
      $2,000 $50 €1960 €40
      $5,000 $100 €4,950 €50



      Heads-up SNGs (super turbo)
      Current buy-ins
      New buy-ins
      Buy-in Fee Buy-in Fee
      - -
      €0.47 €0.03
      $1 $0.05 €0.94 €0.06
      $2 $0.10 €1.90 €0.10
      $5 $0.25 €4.80 €0.20
      $10 $0.50 €9.60 €0.40
      $20 $1 €19.20 €0.80
      $30 $1.50 €28.80 €1.20
      $50 $2.50 €48.70 €1.30
      $100 $5 €97.50 €2.50
      $200 $10 €195 €5
      $350 $15 €294 €6
      $500 $20 €491 €9
      $1,000 $30 €982 €18
      $2,000 $50 €1970 €30
      $5,000 $100 €4,940 €60



      6-max SNGs (normal & turbo)
      Current buy-ins
      New buy-ins
      Buy-in Fee Buy-in Fee
      $0.10 $0.02
      €0.08 €0.02
      $0.20 $0.04 €0.17 €0.03
      $0.50 $0.05 €0.43 €0.07
      $1 $0.20 €0.86 €0.14
      $2 $0.40 €1.72 €0.28
      $5 $0.50 €4.53 €0.47
      $10 $1 €9.09 €0.91
      $20 $2 €18.18 €1.82
      $30 $3 €27.30 €2.70
      $50 $5 €45.50 €4.50
      $100 $9 €92 €8
      $200 $15 €184 €16
      $300 $20 €280 €20
      $500 $30 €470 €30
      $1,000 $60 €965 €35
      $2,000 $90 - -
      $5,000 $200 - -



      6-max SNGs (super turbo)
      Current buy-ins
      New buy-ins
      Buy-in Fee Buy-in Fee
      - - €0.45 €0.05
      $1 $0.20 €0.90 €0.10
      $2 $0.40 €1.80 €0.20
      $5 $0.50 €4.60 €0.40
      $10 $1 €9.20 €0.80
      $20 $2 €18.40 €1.60
      $30 $3 €27.60 €2.40
      $50 $5 €46 €4
      $100 $9 €94 €6
      $200 $15 €188 €12
      $300 $20 €285 €15
      $500 $30 €485 €15
      $1,000 $60 €970 €30
      $2,000 $90 - -
      $5,000 $200 - -



      Full ring SNGs (normal & turbo)
      Current buy-ins
      New buy-ins
      Buy-in Fee Buy-in Fee
      $0.10 $0.02
      €0.08 €0.02
      $0.20 $0.04 €0.17 €0.03
      $0.50 $0.10 €0.43 €0.07
      $1 $0.20 €0.86 €0.14
      $2 $0.40 €1.72 €0.28
      $5 $0.50 €4.53 €0.47
      $10 $1 €9.09 €0.91
      $20 $2 €18.18 €1.82
      $30 $3 €27.30 €2.70
      $50 $5 €45.50 €4.50
      $100 $9 €92 €8
      $200 $15 €184 €16
      $300 $20 €280 €20
      $500 $30 €470 €30
      $1,000 $60 €965 €35
      $2,000 $90 - -
      $5,000 $200 - -



      Full ring SNGs (super turbo)
      Current buy-ins
      New buy-ins
      Buy-in Fee Buy-in Fee
      $0.50 $0.10 €0.45 €0.05
      $1 $0.20 €0.90 €0.10
      $2 $0.40 €1.80 €0.20
      $5 $0.50 €4.60 €0.40
      $10 $1 €9.20 €0.80
      $20 $2 €18.40 €1.60
      $30 $3 €27.60 €2.40
      $50 $5 €46 €4
      $100 $9 €94 €6
      $200 $15 €188 €12
      $300 $20 €285 €15
      $500 $30 €485 €15
      $1,000 $60 €970 €30
      $2,000 $90 - -
      $5,000 $200 - -



      Multi-table tournaments
      Current buy-ins
      New buy-ins
      Buy-in Fee Buy-in Fee
      $0.50 $0.05 €0.45 €0.05
      $1 $0.10 €0.91 €0.09
      $2 $0.20 €1.82 €0.18
      $3 $0.30 €2.73 €0.27
      $4 $0.40 €3.64 €0.36
      $5 $0.50 €4.55 €0.45
      $7 $0.70 €6.37 €0.63
      $8 $0.80 €7.30 €0.70
      $10 $1 €9.10 €0.90
      $15 $1.50 €13.70 €1.30
      $20 $2 €18.20 €1.80
      $25 $2.50 €22.80 €2.20
      $30 $3 €27.30 €2.70
      $40 $4 €36.60 €3.40
      $50 $5 €45.50 €4.50
      $100 $9 €92 €8
      €140 €10
      $200 $15 €186.50 €13.50
      $300 $20 €188 €12
      $500 $30 €473 €27
    • Yoghi
      Yoghi
      Black
      Joined: 10.09.2007 Posts: 14,387
      How does this work for FL tables? There are no 25/50 tables at the moment and most stakes are missing (20/40, 30/60, 150/300 and 300/600). I assume the latter 2 will be removed.

      sneaky change going from USD to EUR, I assume the rake won't change so the cap will be 1EUR instead of 1USD headsup?
    • PKRNemesisRNMD
      PKRNemesisRNMD
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      Joined: 29.03.2010 Posts: 5
      why is the rake higher in 6max normal turbo 5 euro than now. This doesn't make any sense.
    • PKRNemesisRNMD
      PKRNemesisRNMD
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      Joined: 29.03.2010 Posts: 5
      Where is the information regarding player protection?
      When is the 20th century ipoker software going to be changed with a software that needs to be at least decent?
    • PKRNemesisRNMD
      PKRNemesisRNMD
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.03.2010 Posts: 5
      Why is there no information regarding the buy-ins for double or nothing SNGs?
      Which brings the more important question, why does rake not drop for the forms of sngs that are unbeatable on ipoker mathematically at this time?
      What is Ipoker going to do to assure transparency and ensure that players are not being cheated? Double or nothing SNGs are a very good example.
    • acetbfish
      acetbfish
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      Joined: 11.03.2011 Posts: 804
      Will the balances remain in $ or this will also change? Cause the exchange rates are going to affect us if the balances remain in $.
    • texaslimit
      texaslimit
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      Joined: 12.06.2009 Posts: 66
      How can they say that 50/100 is not used in LHE?I have to check my DB but Im sure I played a few k Hands myself last year and this year aswell on those stakes, and many HUgames are at 50/100 if it runs(or 100/200).
      Will they have at least 30/60eur then or is everything LHE pretty much gone?
      Id also advice against taking 50/100 off, which would be like 75/150 with euros, but if there is not at least 30/60 there is absolutely no reason for me to stay on the site.
    • wasy8
      wasy8
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      Joined: 29.01.2009 Posts: 1,507
      Originally posted by acetbfish
      Will the balances remain in $ or this will also change? Cause the exchange rates are going to affect us if the balances remain in $.
      This is really important IMO.

      edit: wait what? why is the rake increasing as well?
    • Yoghi
      Yoghi
      Black
      Joined: 10.09.2007 Posts: 14,387
      Originally posted by texaslimit
      How can they say that 50/100 is not used in LHE?I have to check my DB but Im sure I played a few k Hands myself last year and this year aswell on those stakes, and many HUgames are at 50/100 if it runs(or 100/200).
      Will they have at least 30/60eur then or is everything LHE pretty much gone?
      Id also advice against taking 50/100 off, which would be like 75/150 with euros, but if there is not at least 30/60 there is absolutely no reason for me to stay on the site.
      Maybe we should play a lot at 100/200 next week and they will keep it ;)


      Not surprising that PS hasn't commented here yet.
    • DonkeyDirk
      DonkeyDirk
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      Joined: 15.06.2010 Posts: 522
      Cashgrab FTW
    • CoreySteel
      CoreySteel
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      Joined: 25.10.2006 Posts: 3,366
      4-Max Super Turbo?
    • microhero
      microhero
      Basic
      Joined: 14.06.2013 Posts: 11
      What about pounds?
    • Rezzub
      Rezzub
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      Joined: 11.04.2013 Posts: 4
      How about the Jackpot SNG? DON?

      Is it confirmed that rake cap will be 3 GBP (equaling 4.80 USD) and 3 EUR (versus 3 USD before) making this a massive rake grab?
    • HannesZ
      HannesZ
      Headadmin
      Headadmin
      Joined: 30.06.2010 Posts: 16,311
      Originally posted by Yoghi
      How does this work for FL tables? There are no 25/50 tables at the moment and most stakes are missing (20/40, 30/60, 150/300 and 300/600). I assume the latter 2 will be removed.
      We will check, but it may take some time to get an answer.

      edit: The table is indeed a bit misleading. But basically everything above 25/50 gets removed. So 30/60, 100/200 etc. Lowest still available stake will be 20/40.

      Originally posted by Yoghi
      sneaky change going from USD to EUR, I assume the rake won't change so the cap will be 1EUR instead of 1USD headsup?
      As far as I know the rake cap won't change. So USD becomes EUR.

      Originally posted by PKRNemesisRNMD
      Where is the information regarding player protection?
      Player protection in our first news simply meant that some highstakes will get removed. You can find further details about the affected limits in the opening post.

      Originally posted by PKRNemesisRNMD
      Why is there no information regarding the buy-ins for double or nothing SNGs?
      The buy-in structure for double ups is exactly the same as for 6max.

      Originally posted by texaslimit
      How can they say that 50/100 is not used in LHE?I have to check my DB but Im sure I played a few k Hands myself last year and this year aswell on those stakes, and many HUgames are at 50/100 if it runs(or 100/200).
      It is not only about how often such games are played. The goal was also to have a clear aim to protect less skilled players that tend to lose their money to quickly on these stakes. Solution was to remove these games.

      Originally posted by Rezzub
      How about the Jackpot SNG? DON?
      You mean the change from USD to Euro? Jackpot SnGs will get changed from January 1st onwards. It will take several weeks since each cycle needs to be finished before it can get moved to EUR. Double Ups will get changed on Monday January 13th 2013.
    • ftw123
      ftw123
      Basic
      Joined: 25.11.2013 Posts: 4
      NOTE: tournaments will be converted to a roughly equivalent value to the USD games. For example, the nightly $5+ $0.50 $2,500 gtd rebuy will have a buy-in of €3.70 + €0.30 and a guarantee of €2,000.

      1.you said in the example 5$ tour will have a 3.7euro buy in! but in the MTT tournament board is this:$5 $0.50 €4.55 €0.45
      what is going on ?

      2. a 20$ + 2$ buy in tournament will be 18.2 + 1.8 in euros! when this time the convert is 14.7+1.4!!! why so much difference ?
    • CoreySteel
      CoreySteel
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      Joined: 25.10.2006 Posts: 3,366
      I guess I have to write my question in full :)

      Article says that some SNGs will be removed. What about 4-Max Super Turbo SNGs?
    • JimC6
      JimC6
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      Joined: 01.04.2011 Posts: 458
      Does anybody know what if anything is going to happen with iPoker accounts that are in USD? Will my balance still remain in USD or will that change to Euro too?
    • HannesZ
      HannesZ
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      Joined: 30.06.2010 Posts: 16,311
      Originally posted by CoreySteel
      I guess I have to write my question in full :)

      Article says that some SNGs will be removed. What about 4-Max Super Turbo SNGs?
      Thanks. That makes it easier. Currently I am only aware of the removal of all multitable SNG's with 18 players and more, double stack 10 players, and some other Hold’em and Omaha Hi/Lo 10 players SNG's. I have forwarded your question and we hope to get a reply soon.

      Originally posted by ftw123
      NOTE: tournaments will be converted to a roughly equivalent value to the USD games. For example, the nightly $5+ $0.50 $2,500 gtd rebuy will have a buy-in of €3.70 + €0.30 and a guarantee of €2,000.

      1.you said in the example 5$ tour will have a 3.7euro buy in! but in the MTT tournament board is this:$5 $0.50 €4.55 €0.45
      what is going on ?

      2. a 20$ + 2$ buy in tournament will be 18.2 + 1.8 in euros! when this time the convert is 14.7+1.4!!! why so much difference ?
      They tournament should have roughly the same value as it is now. So the mentioned $5+$0.50 tournament will be a €4 one. A new €5 tournament will however use the mentioned buyin structure of 4.55 + 0.45.

      Ad 2: Again it should be roughly equivalent. There will always be a bit of a difference since the whole structure and currency changed.
    • ftw123
      ftw123
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      Joined: 25.11.2013 Posts: 4
      Originally posted by CoreySteel
      Originally posted by ftw123
      2. a 20$ + 2$ buy in tournament will be 18.2 + 1.8 in euros! when this time the convert is 14.7+1.4!!! why so much difference ?
      They tournament should have roughly the same value as it is now. So the mentioned $5+$0.50 tournament will be a €4 one. A new €5 tournament will however use the mentioned buyin structure of 4.55 + 0.45.

      Ad 2: Again it should be roughly equivalent. There will always be a bit of a difference since the whole structure and currency changed.
      so , we have to assume that the GTD money of tour now in euros will be higher ? for example , the 20$+2$ GP freezeout 2,000 GTD will be more than 2,000 in euros or the tournaments that they will be untill that day of changes will be discart and there will be a hole new tours programm ?