[NL2-NL10] NL50 J9s BB

    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $52,25
      Hero:
      $8,50
      UTG:
      $21,65
      UTG+1:
      $22,10
      UTG+2:
      $24,25
      MP1:
      $52,07
      MP2:
      $10,00
      MP3:
      $21,55
      CO:
      $55,90
      BU:
      $36,77

      0,25/0,5 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 9:spade: , J:spade:
      2 folds, MP1 raises to $1,00, 5 folds, Hero calls $0,50.

      Flop: ($2,25) 4:club: , K:spade: , A:spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP1 bets $2,14, Hero goes?


      Hi - a rather stunning play of me. I stopped calling from the BB if everyone folds to a clickraise. I simply see 3:1 as an invitation to call with onesuitedgappers or suited connectors. So I really would like you to judge this play based on POST-Flop ;)

      Anyway I want to have some verdicts on postflop.
      I hit a FlushDraw + a backdoorstraight giving me 10 outs at most.
      Can I shove it just here and pray that I will hit 1 out of 2,6 times (1,6:1) ??
  • 11 replies
    • DeKuip
      DeKuip
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      If you decide to play this, check/shove with a flushdraw is probably the idea behind playing these hands. You play for straight/flush value and you might even have FE here, so check/shove looks good.
      You still have outs if he calls you :)
    • allizdoR
      allizdoR
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      you need 2:1 for a FD on the flop to go AI.
      when you shove and he calls you get 16.4 : 7.5 thats 2.19:1 = 31.4%

      i would consider he won't fold anything on the flop, but i tink sometimes he folds. ;) so this push is quite profitabel for you
    • 098799
      098799
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      I'm not calling with suited one-gappers like ever. And I'm certainly not calling with them and stack of only 17bb! Clear fold preflop for me.

      As played, chek/raise all-in on the flop would be suitable.
    • allizdoR
      allizdoR
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      a minraise is mostly a weak hand and we have got playability also oop

      i wouldnt call this hand only for my odds. but this hand is also good to outplay or oppenent.

      btw. you just need 3.5:1 to hit a draw or a pair with a suited one gapper but you get 4:1
    • 098799
      098799
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      Hitting middle pair of nines with a jack kicker isn't really enough to continue with a short stack, I guess. This hand I'd have played purely for strong draw reasons.

      Also, I don't get what you mean by saying 'playability oop', I'd rather be ip than oop with a draw...
    • allizdoR
      allizdoR
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      i think we get very often his contibet, when we hit our fd or straightdraw und c/R
      i also think i could have the best hand with 9 and J kicker.

      and i generally think its to weak wo fold this hand for a minraise.
    • 098799
      098799
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      Ok, understood.

      I wouldn't have played it, but it's just me.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      I tend to call fishes like MP1 from the BB with SuitedOneGappers, SCs, PPs, Suited-One-Gappers, broadways purely to hit a strong draw and/or a made hand.

      Is this style of playing correct if I do not do this too often? I even call more quicker with those hands if SB/BTN/CO decides to call to improve my Pot odds even more.

      I either check/fold if I miss, check/call based on Odds/Outs if I have a strong draw and check/raise with a made hand.
    • 098799
      098799
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      As you may have read from allizdoR's posts, it's ok against every oponent, though it's marginal and can also be ommited in my opinion.
    • allizdoR
      allizdoR
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      Originally posted by 098799
      As you may have read from allizdoR's posts, it's ok against every oponent, though it's marginal and can also be ommited in my opinion.
      its marginal #2

      and even not neccessary on nl50 when it happens only for one time. but some players minraise to often...

      be watchful to your oppenents ;)
    • davidangel
      davidangel
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      I like to make a play like this when some qualifiers are met
      1) click-raise folded around to you in BB
      2) call 20 rule is fullfilled, eg, you only make this play when stacked between 20-24 BBs
      3) I have suited broadway cards or a small PP and in some cases small suited Aces (A5-A2). J9s is very marginal, higher str8s are possible, and AJ is good click-raise hand UTG.

      Think about what your JTs or QTs or QJs looks like on this board... made hand my friend, no difficult decisions post flop :D