Constructing Ranges - passive defence in SB/BB

    • muel294
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      Lets assume we are playing in the Micros < NL10. Villain ATS from CO-SB and we are in BB. Can anyone give me a rough estimate of the types of hands that we can consider defending passively OOP vs an unknown. ( I understand that it all depends btw. I am looking for some generalisations as a starting off point and then I would adjust depending on opponent type, stats, dynamic, stack size etc etc.)

      For the unknown opening ranges I have just used the "PS.com SH ORC standard" ranges by position and worked from there.

      at the moment:
      BB vs CO stl, HU (assumiing BU and SB fold) I would probably defend something like:

             Equity     Win     Tie
      CO     46.84%  45.24%   1.60% { 22+, A6s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, A9o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 98o, 87o }
      BB     53.16%  51.56%   1.60% { JJ-22, AQs-A9s, KTs+, QJs, AQo-A9o, KTo+, QJo }


      BB vs BU: (HU assuming SB folds)

             Equity     Win     Tie
      BU     41.87%  40.54%   1.33% { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q7s+, J7s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, A2o+, K8o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 97o+, 87o, 76o, 65o, 54o }
      BB     58.13%  56.80%   1.33% { JJ-22, AQs-A9s, KQs, AQo-A9o, KQo }



      BB vs SB stl:

             Equity     Win     Tie
      SB     51.30%  49.43%   1.87% { 22+, A6s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J8s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, A8o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+ }
      BB     48.70%  46.83%   1.87% { JJ-22, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A2o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }


      :club: Is this too tight? Should I defend a bit wider.
      :club: I have also left in some strong hands for deception or is this a bad idea at micros <NL10? Should I just polarise mostly / be unbalanced because people are rarely paying attention therefore it doesn't matter too much.
      :club: Also should I be allowing an overlap between value 3b, call and, 3b bluff ranges when constructing?

      Hope this makes sense. Got a lot of confusion whirling around my head.

      Cheers

      :f_ugly:
  • 5 replies
    • mesisification
      mesisification
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      How come you're defending more vs CO than vs BTN?
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Hi, muel294
      This sort of question is SO hard to answer w/o being misleading.

      It really, really depends on WHO the CO, BTN and SB are, and how they play.

      vs Unknowns gives us a starting point, but after a few orbits, you should be leaning toward playing vs their player type, I think.

      I had a player sit down to my left today who after 30 hands was running 60/40 with a 50 3Bet %.

      I just backed off and waited, and eventually I got a hand to play back at him with -- and of course he had QQ (but I sucked out he, he, he)

      And not just me -- there were several decent players at the table and we all got a piece of him. He sat down w/ 100 BB, doubled it and then some, but left down a BI

      The point is play the player -- you can guess their ranges from their stats (within reason).

      Disclaimer: I am NOT a coach!

      Best of luck
      --VS
    • patszerdonk
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      in vacuum (without enough info postflop) BB vs LP:
      i 3bet for value 25% of his combos, call 25%-35% of his combos, 3bet bluff 10%-20% of his combos.
      So I'm defend about 70% of his combos.

      This is how I defend:
      3bet for value: hands that have >55% equity vs his range.
      call: 45%-55% equity
      3bet bluff: add some Small As, pp, ss, ss 1 gap, and ss 2 gap.

      -I call more hand with playability: I prefer to 3bet for value AJo than AJs. I prefer to call with AJs than AJo, because I can float more OTF.
      -3bet polarized.

      BTW, JJ and TT is trouble hand for me..... I don't sure how to play :)
      I'm playing NL10 also and would like to talk with u. Add my on skype. My skype account is the same as my ps.com account name.
    • VorpalF2F
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      Thanks, patszerdonk

      tbh, I could not tell you how many combos I do what with.

      That's probably why I flap around like a flounder.

      I start with some "standard" ranges, that depend on which pos I'm defending against. If I can get away with those, I widen, if I get pushback, I tighten.

      And I'm NL 2 at the moment, so who I'm playing against is usually wildly inconsistent.


      Best of luck,
      --VS
    • muel294
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      Cheers all. Some very helpful comments :P