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If I have wings, why am I always walking?!

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    • ilpm01
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    • gadget51
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    • lelemalee
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    • Rihard4a
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      Hand 1: If you are getting it in on the flop why don't you do the same preflop? What's the difference there? BU 3betting range is very wide and TT is strong enough to 4bet and try to get it in vs certain players. You have plenty of equity even if you get it in behind preflop.

      Hand 2: 3bet preflop. As played, I just don't get the fold on the river. If you intend to call down TP then folding the river on those two blanks makes not much sense. Villain can still have some busted draws and maybe underpairs like TT,JJ. You are sometimes beat here, but folding on blanks make no sense. And you have blockers for hands like KK, QQ, and AQ which beat you. Obviously he might have AA but not is not all his range in this spot.

      Hand 3: I don't mind the call that much preflop, although vs BU and SB I would definitely rather squeeze in this spot. As played, donk the flop something close to pot. You have a monster here, and I don't see why you want to have free card, because usually in these spots the flop gets checked around and free turn card appears. And then you are in trouble spot because someone might improve and you lose FE and equity overall. And if we bet the turn, we have to bet the river as well because most draws missed apart from flopped nuts, and the 4 on the river makes sets less likely as well, and besides if the guy a set you would've known that on the turn.

      Hand 4: Preflop call is pretty bad. Your hands doesn't dominate CO range at all and especially without initiative you are not gonna win a lot, just because you won this hand doesn't mean you played it good. So either 3bet or fold, depending who are the blinds.
    • lelemalee
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    • Rihard4a
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      [quote]Originally posted by lelemalee

      Hand 2: 3bet preflop.As played, I just don't get the fold on the river. If you intend to call down TP then folding the river on those two blanks makes not much sense.Villain can still have some busted draws and maybe underpairs like TT,JJ. You are sometimes beat here, but folding on blanks make no sense. And you have blockers for hands like KK, QQ, and AQ which beat you. Obviously he might have AA but not is not all his range in this spot.


      I think this bet on the river is most of the time for value. I came to this decission as this spot is kinda similar to me to a situation where you have AJ IP on board AT527r where we got 3 barreled mostly from better aces vs UTG/MP. We need 30% on the river. Here is the wide range wich give us 43.75%
      MP2 43.75% 37.50% 6.25% KcQc
      MP3 56.25% 50.00% 6.25% 99+, 77, AQs, KQs, JTs, AsKs, AsJs, AQo, KQo
      And if we remove TT-JJ we have 25%
      MP2 25.00% 16.67% 8.33% KcQc
      MP3 75.00% 66.67% 8.33% QQ+, 99, 77, AQs, KQs, JTs, AsKs, AsJs, AQo, KQo
      I agree that we sometimes have to call there. I just didn't like that spot and decided to let it go.

      [color=blue]First of all, if you call AJ vs UTG open you have very bad preflop play. AJ is easy 3bet/fold hand. I don't see why you would ever call with such weak hand vs strong opening range. You are forcing yourself into so many trouble spots without initiative. Initiative + Position = $$$. And if Initiative + Skill + Position = 10x$$$.

      Now to the hand. The thing is that if you call the turn 5, then you have to call river 5 because if you had the best hand on the turn you will have the best hand on the river as well. The initial problem is that you cold called with KQ in the first place. You have no idea where you opponent stands. And in general, people play worse in 3bet pots. Therefore it is easier for skillful player to take down. And you have position, so use it. If you call you are welcoming people behind you to join in with better odds giving them good price for nut mining, and they will utilize now their position on you. When you call KQ preflop you begging to hit TP and you did, and then you just folded on busted board run out. :facepalm: [/color]


      Hand 3: I don't mind the call that much preflop, although vs BU and SB I would definitely rather squeeze in this spot. As played, donk the flop something close to pot. You have a monster here, and I don't see why you want to have free card, because usually in these spots the flop gets checked around and free turn card appears. And then you are in trouble spot because someone might improve and you lose FE and equity overall.


      Agree with you. As I mentioned I have to construct a donking range, because alot of the times on those kind of flop 3way+ I have checked back or stack it vs sets.No need to give free cards :) About the squeez I like to play more hands to get the players a bit more before starting to squeez 65s. I was thinking about it tho.

      Don't think it that way. You are looking at every spot of THE HAND perspective, rather THE RANGE perspective. When you squeeze in BB, BU and SB will fold a ton, and call weak hands in general. Then with you initiative you can make them fold on certain boards, where your RANGE looks stronger.

      And if we bet the turn, we have to bet the river as well because most draws missed apart from flopped nuts, and the 4 on the river makes sets less likely as well, and besides if the guy a set you would've known that on the turn.


      I don't think betting the river will accomplish something. I just don't see a hand that beat us and is going to fold to a river bet, neighter a hand that is weaker that ours and intend to call. We beat the missed draws no need to make them fold. May be 77-88,J8s and something like that are going to fold but maybe if I overbet. I don't like to overbet here tho.

      Yes it will. River bet will fold out hands that can beat you and are relatively weak according to the board. Again you thinking in THE HAND perspective. What range does the villain call on the turn? Pretty wide as there are many fd that didn't hit the river, just bet and take the pot without giving information about your hand. If he call, he calls. That's poker, your bet doesn't have to win 100% to be +EV. You will sometimes lose, sometimes win. As long you make the best play every time, the times you win will multiply. You don't need to overbet, only if your are 100% that he fold Jx, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't if you overbet. Overbetting doesn't make sense either if you don't have the nuts here. You don't have to make certain things to make them call or fold you with specific hand, but rather part of the range.

      Hand 4: Preflop call is pretty bad. Your hands doesn't dominate CO range at all and especially without initiative you are not gonna win a lot, just because you won this hand doesn't mean you played it good. So either 3bet or fold, depending who are the blinds.


      I don't think that calling sc IP is pretty bad. You're always 3betting or folding sc BU vs CO?

      It is pretty bad. When you call, you are almost always behind, and beside you don't even have the odds to call. And your question lacks some specification. I would 3bet/fold, or 3bet/5bet/fold, or 3bet/5bet/call. Depends who it is against, what is his/her range in CO, and what is my perceived range.[/quote]
    • lelemalee
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    • Rihard4a
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      I have noticed that you don't bet enough rivers. It seems that you never bet on rivers. You double barrel and then either x/c or x/f. And most of those spots are on safe river cards and blank run outs. Imo you are losing a lot of value in those spots.
    • lelemalee
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    • Rihard4a
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      Hand 8 - Another missed value. Won't even discuss why, because I have already told you.

      Hand 9 - I am always betting turn here and get it in on the turn if he raises. We have bottom straight (which may be good sometimes) and redraw to the flush and open-ended nut draw. Basically - MONSTER. Even if we give our villain pretty tight range here we are still like 55% favorite. Once you check the turn he might bet some weaker hands to the board texture because the sign of weakness on such run our is obvious to him (i.e. you are afraid of straight). So his betting range here could be TT-JJ, AdQd, KJs+, QTs+ and JTs. If you decide to check here and know he is gonna bet a lot, I would just reshove and we could have some FE as well. As played - river is pretty much a blank and once he shove I doubt that our straight here is good.
    • PokerPPP
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      Hi there, nice to see another Bulgarian in the English forums, we're gaining numbers :) GL on your journey :)

      PS - I think all of Rihard4a's comments are on spot - good stuff
    • lelemalee
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    • Rihard4a
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      Not much to say about the hand. I would probably 4bet preflop. But for gods sake bet that river!
    • lelemalee
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    • Rihard4a
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      Hand 11: I don't see the reason checking flop. This flop hits you and him very well in these 4bets pots. And slowplaying in 4bet pots doesn't make sense much either, as it is the point where everyone is at the top of their ranges anyway... So bet, bet, bet.

      Hand 12: Fold preflop.
    • lelemalee
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