Blind Nit

    • Cyfron
      Cyfron
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      Joined: 21.01.2005 Posts: 1,730
      Hey,

      I've discovered some big leaks in my game especially in the Blinds and after reading some threads about specific calling ranges of other players i'm feeling like the biggest Nit around :D

      Additionally i decided to move down 1 limit to implement new things not just auto-folding to every steal.

      - What do you play?
      Atm NL 50 sh Zoom .... down from 200/100

      - Goals and aspirations for poker?
      Fixing Leaks and moving up asap again.

      - What do you sturggle with?
      In general my Blind lossrates are terrible :f_frown:

      - What do you want to get out of the Bootcamp.
      Getting away from just seeing the "NUTS" in the range of my opponents.

      *edit* will lose my platin status next month ...

      the bootcamp was very usefull in terms of mindset etc (thanks to schnitzel and erik) but i couldn't take much poker-skill related out of it.
      thanks anyways.
  • 32 replies
    • Cyfron
      Cyfron
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      Joined: 21.01.2005 Posts: 1,730


      so far ... this month trying to play more hands from the blinds.


      this is a typical Hand example when i call from the blinds :f_frown:
      "i could check / raise hmm no... it looks too bluffy ... hmm ok i float" and then i fold the turn/tiver like 99% of the time

      PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 80.86 BB (VPIP: 19.44, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 37)
      SB: 146.3 BB (VPIP: 22.41, PFR: 15.52, 3Bet Preflop: 2.99, Hands: 183)
      Hero (BB): 160.26 BB
      UTG: 136.26 BB (VPIP: 32.43, PFR: 32.43, 3Bet Preflop: 28.57, Hands: 38)
      MP: 74 BB
      CO: 112.88 BB (VPIP: 17.91, PFR: 16.42, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 67)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J:club: K:club:

      fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

      Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 5:heart: Q:spade: Q:club:
      Hero checks, CO bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

      Turn: (14.5 BB, 2 players) 3:spade:
      Hero checks, CO bets 8.5 BB, fold
    • jules97
      jules97
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.06.2012 Posts: 1,449
      Ok, I'll go. Not a coach, but here's my 2cents.

      Forget about what hand you have and think about how you want to play your entire range in this spot. Like the thread Pleno did last week, 'playing our range'. Also internets recent strategy article is probably the best article on pokerstrategy imo and right on topic. Then when this spot comes up again, you are more familiar with what you should be doing.

      Start with your cold call BB v CO open range. Pick the % of hands you want to defend on the flop based on his bet size and the board. Then repeat for the rest of the hand.
    • Cyfron
      Cyfron
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      Joined: 21.01.2005 Posts: 1,730
      thanks will look over it :)
    • Cyfron
      Cyfron
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      Joined: 21.01.2005 Posts: 1,730
      1)
      PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $50.75 (VPIP: 15.91, PFR: 15.91, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 46)
      SB: $75.70 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 3)
      Hero (BB): $50.00
      UTG: $63.35 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
      MP: $175.62 (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 41)
      CO: $61.08 (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)

      SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 9:diamond: A:diamond:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.00, fold, Hero calls $0.50

      Flop: ($2.25, 2 players) 8:diamond: 5:diamond: 2:heart:
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

      Turn: ($5.85, 2 players) 6:club:
      Hero checks, BTN bets $5.00, Hero calls $5.00

      River: ($15.85, 2 players) T:spade:
      Hero checks, BTN bets $9.00, fold


      my plan was to check/raise the turn UNTIL he then suddenly bet almost pot ... what do you think? ya i know check/Raise flop would be another option


      2)

      PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $109.65 (VPIP: 31.43, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
      Hero (SB): $51.75
      BB: $50.00 (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
      UTG: $92.32 (VPIP: 16.36, PFR: 10.91, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 114)
      MP: $57.85 (VPIP: 30.54, PFR: 27.54, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 169)
      CO: $77.47 (VPIP: 17.31, PFR: 9.62, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)

      Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has J:club: A:spade:

      fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1.00

      Flop: ($3.00, 2 players) 9:diamond: 3:diamond: 8:spade:
      Hero checks, BB checks

      Turn: ($3.00, 2 players) K:diamond:
      Hero bets $2.00, BB calls $2.00

      River: ($7.00, 2 players) 9:heart:
      Hero bets $4.00, BB calls $4.00

      my plan was to c/f the flop ... the rest of the hand feels random =)
    • UnknownF
      UnknownF
      Silver
      Joined: 29.07.2011 Posts: 2,247
      Hi, Hero! It seems that I have this nit problem too. I think we can overcome it :)
      jules97, thx. You post is useful)
    • Cyfron
      Cyfron
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      Joined: 21.01.2005 Posts: 1,730
      PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): $55.99
      SB: $43.16 (VPIP: 27.65, PFR: 21.66, 3Bet Preflop: 5.63, Hands: 221)
      BB: $50.00 (VPIP: 18.84, PFR: 15.94, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 71)
      UTG: $26.01 (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 7.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
      MP: $17.31 (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 44.44, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
      CO: $25.88 (VPIP: 52.63, PFR: 31.58, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

      SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 5:heart: Q:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, BB calls $0.50

      Flop: ($2.25, 2 players) 2:diamond: 6:spade: J:club:
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50

      Turn: ($5.25, 2 players) 8:diamond:
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($5.25, 2 players) K:spade:
      BB bets $3.00, Hero raises to $9.00, BB calls $6.00

      Hero shows 5:heart: Q:heart: (High Card, King) (Pre 39%, Flop 23%, Turn 14%)
      BB shows A:club: T:heart: (High Card, Ace) (Pre 61%, Flop 77%, Turn 86%)
      BB wins $22.20


      owned
    • JustMillion
      JustMillion
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      Joined: 21.04.2007 Posts: 1,655
      Here´s my take on the A9 hand:

      Ch/raising decreases psr and leaves you oop most likely unimproved on the turn which really sucks. On the other hand we should have at least some (semi-)bluffs in our range in order to not only ch/r close to the nuts in spots like this (does this make sense? I always hear balance is overrated...) Ch/calling on the other hand seems awkward because we have decent equity, villain is quity unlikely to have hit this board big time and additionally ch/calling on a board like this might induce a fair amount of barrels because our perceived range for ch/calling is really weak and therefore can´t stand too much heat. Turn simply sucks, but you picked up additional equity. Ch/raising villain´s 2 barrel seems like a viable option given my last sentences... I am lost here tbh. Hopefully some genius posts his take on it :)

      The Q5 hand:

      What´s your thought process? What are you trying to rep on the river? KX and 2Pairs? I actually like the idea of repping really narrow ranges but only if I am sure villain knows the fold button :D I´d either give up or go for 3 barrels here, the river might potentially complete a lot of nice backdoor draws which totally make sense. But as a default play giving up seems fine to me, they most likely look you up because your line looks suspicious and the action closes after calling

      Talk to you soon on skype. good night
    • UnknownF
      UnknownF
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      Joined: 29.07.2011 Posts: 2,247
      Originally posted by JustMillion
      Here´s my take on the A9 hand:

      Ch/raising decreases psr and leaves you oop most likely unimproved on the turn which really sucks. On the other hand we should have at least some (semi-)bluffs in our range in order to not only ch/r close to the nuts in spots like this (does this make sense? I always hear balance is overrated...) Ch/calling on the other hand seems awkward because we have decent equity, villain is quity unlikely to have hit this board big time and additionally ch/calling on a board like this might induce a fair amount of barrels because our perceived range for ch/calling is really weak and therefore can´t stand too much heat. Turn simply sucks, but you picked up additional equity. Ch/raising villain´s 2 barrel seems like a viable option given my last sentences... I am lost here tbh. Hopefully some genius posts his take on it :)
      Why don't you consider a donk? Because he's going to raise often? I don't understand. We've got not so much hands on opponent, so we should play more default way.
      I like x/r flop too. We've got more equity to do it on flop (considering that he won't bet 100% if we check turn) than on turn x/raising.
    • Cyfron
      Cyfron
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      Joined: 21.01.2005 Posts: 1,730
      the Q5 hand was kind of randomly played just thought its a good spot but on the other side it seems it is a good spot to raise for thin value in the future, when we hit a K :s_love:
    • MindGrind
      MindGrind
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      Joined: 06.07.2006 Posts: 1,108
      I feel like you guys are vastly underestimating our showdownvalue in the A9 hand. It is BU vs BB, Ranges are extremly wide. Also we certainly want/need to have some diamond draws in our c/c range. So I would rather take a hand like A9 for that instead of something without sd value like T9s or something.

      I would play it exactly the same as you did.

      gl :)
    • ErikStenqvist
      ErikStenqvist
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      Joined: 14.01.2013 Posts: 431
      Hey cyfron!

      Welcome to the Bootcamp!

      I'll be on the coaching staff working on mindset, tilt, and a-game related issues. But also to set solid good goals for 2014.

      I'm curious to hear more about the "seeing the nuts" issue you are struggling with. Could you tell me more about it?

      Cheers!
    • Cyfron
      Cyfron
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      Joined: 21.01.2005 Posts: 1,730
      Originally posted by ErikStenqvist
      Hey cyfron!

      Welcome to the Bootcamp!

      I'll be on the coaching staff working on mindset, tilt, and a-game related issues. But also to set solid good goals for 2014.

      I'm curious to hear more about the "seeing the nuts" issue you are struggling with. Could you tell me more about it?

      Cheers!
      Hey,

      Well a typical example would be (just in general) i get raised and no matter how many draws are possible on the specific board i just can think of sets.
      Too bad this situation happens like 5x a day and i end up folding everytime ... even tho iam not scared money :)
    • ErikStenqvist
      ErikStenqvist
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      If it happens 5 times per day then it's pretty big leak. :)

      So what do you think is going on in that situation?
      When you review the hand after is it easy for you to know what you would do in that specific situation then?
    • Cyfron
      Cyfron
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      Joined: 21.01.2005 Posts: 1,730
      well, iam mostly playing zoom ... and it is so hard to analyze hands without history and enough postflop stats.

      good example ....

      PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): $55.66
      SB: $94.98 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
      BB: $73.21 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 19.44, 3Bet Preflop: 10.71, Hands: 75)
      UTG: $55.35 (VPIP: 20.69, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 29)
      MP: $49.66 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
      CO: $174.59 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)

      SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has A:spade: J:club:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, BB calls $0.50

      Flop: ($2.25, 2 players) J:spade: 8:spade: T:diamond:
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.75, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $2.75

      Turn: ($11.25, 2 players) 9:club:
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($11.25, 2 players) A:club:
      BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BB raises to $5.00, Hero calls $2.50

      BB shows 8:club: 8:heart: (Three of a Kind, Eights) (Pre 55%, Flop 91%, Turn 91%)
      Hero mucks A:spade: J:club: (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks) (Pre 45%, Flop 9%, Turn 9%)
      BB wins $20.29


      it feels like im running only into sets when they show aggressio no matter the board is dry or wet :O and the result is if the same situation happens like 1-2 minutes later ill snap fold my TPTK or overpair to any raise.
    • Schnitzelfisch
      Schnitzelfisch
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      Joined: 08.11.2008 Posts: 4,952
      Hi Cyfron,

      I'll be helping you out in this Boot Camp with topics like procrastination, motivation, laziness, productivity, focus while playing, putting in more volume/studying, creating habits that stick, etc.

      Could you please tell me:

      1) What is your #1 issue in those areas
      2) What did you try so far to resolve it?
      3) What worked and what didn't?

      Thank you,

      -Primoz
    • Cyfron
      Cyfron
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      Joined: 21.01.2005 Posts: 1,730
      Originally posted by Schnitzelfisch

      Could you please tell me:

      1) What is your #1 issue in those areas
      2) What did you try so far to resolve it?
      3) What worked and what didn't?

      Thank you,

      -Primoz
      well ...


      1) *edit* ah misread your question ;)
      Well i have problems with motivation and productivity, i could play like 3x more but too often i am just wasting time especially when running bad.

      2) Session reviews on my own and posting all hands in the hand discussion section where this situation happened or anything i was not sure about.

      3) Discussing hands works a bit but on the tables it feels different ... still thinking about previous MAYBE bad folds while zooming/playing which leads to tilt and lacking in concentration .... which then leads to obvious bad play in the next hundreds of hands because iam not focussed enough on current situations :f_p: and after the session i repeat step 2)
    • Cyfron
      Cyfron
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      Joined: 21.01.2005 Posts: 1,730
      here is a good example of the session:

      first this happened

      PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $51.32 (VPIP: 16.40, PFR: 14.02, 3Bet Preflop: 5.80, Hands: 390)
      SB: $65.20 (VPIP: 22.50, PFR: 2.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
      Hero (BB): $50.90
      UTG: $50.00 (VPIP: 23.78, PFR: 19.82, 3Bet Preflop: 10.45, Hands: 333)
      MP: $135.12 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 2)
      CO: $31.80 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

      SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 7:heart: 7:club:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.00, SB calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.50

      Flop: ($3.00, 3 players) 3:spade: 6:club: 3:club:
      SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $2.00, SB calls $2.00, Hero calls $2.00

      Turn: ($9.00, 3 players) 7:diamond:
      SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $6.00, SB calls $6.00, Hero calls $6.00

      River: ($27.00, 3 players) 2:diamond:
      SB bets $19.50, Hero raises to $41.90 and is all-in, fold, SB calls $22.40

      Hero shows 7:heart: 7:club: (Full House, Sevens full of Threes) (Pre 81%, Flop 0%, Turn 2%)
      SB shows 3:heart: 3:diamond: (Four of a Kind, Threes) (Pre 19%, Flop 100%, Turn 98%)
      SB wins $108.30


      then this


      PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: $51.85 (VPIP: 15.04, PFR: 12.78, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 135)
      Hero (SB): $62.33
      BB: $60.86 (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 10.58, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 111)
      UTG: $66.70 (VPIP: 15.48, PFR: 12.90, 3Bet Preflop: 3.08, Hands: 159)
      MP: $22.50 (VPIP: 18.31, PFR: 16.90, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 74)
      CO: $50.00 (VPIP: 11.54, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)

      Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has K:spade: K:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.25, Hero raises to $4.25, fold, BTN calls $3.00

      Flop: ($9.00, 2 players) 7:spade: J:spade: 8:diamond:
      Hero bets $5.50, BTN raises to $12.25, Hero raises to $58.08 and is all-in, BTN calls $35.35 and is all-in

      Turn: ($104.20, 2 players) 2:club:

      River: ($104.20, 2 players) A:spade:

      Hero shows K:spade: K:heart: (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 68%, Flop 80%, Turn 89%)
      BTN shows A:heart: J:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks) (Pre 32%, Flop 20%, Turn 11%)
      BTN wins $101.70


      and those hands lead to this bad river call



      PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): $50.00
      SB: $70.30 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 15)
      BB: $56.42 (VPIP: 15.66, PFR: 13.46, 3Bet Preflop: 5.22, Hands: 375)
      UTG: $26.36 (VPIP: 13.82, PFR: 6.91, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 250)
      MP: $56.63 (VPIP: 17.07, PFR: 13.41, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 83)
      CO: $50.75 (VPIP: 18.10, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 118)

      SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has K:heart: J:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, BB raises to $3.00, Hero calls $2.00

      Flop: ($6.25, 2 players) 7:diamond: J:club: 8:diamond:
      BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, BB calls $3.50

      Turn: ($13.25, 2 players) J:spade:
      BB checks, Hero bets $7.00, BB calls $7.00

      River: ($27.25, 2 players) A:diamond:
      BB checks, Hero bets $8.50, BB raises to $42.92 and is all-in, Hero calls $28.00 and is all-in

      BB shows A:heart: A:club: (Full House, Aces full of Jacks) (Pre 83%, Flop 81%, Turn 5%)
      Hero shows K:heart: J:heart: (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 17%, Flop 19%, Turn 95%)
      BB wins $97.75


      easy fold since 95% of the regs never turn pairs into bluffs ... but i couldnt fold since i wasn't focused enough :evil:
    • ErikStenqvist
      ErikStenqvist
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      Joined: 14.01.2013 Posts: 431
      Originally posted by Cyfron
      well, iam mostly playing zoom ... and it is so hard to analyze hands without history and enough postflop stats.

      good example ....
      Ok so just to make things clear. You did not fold in this hand, but the situation is obv the same. So is it more that the situation of getting raised on the flop makes you uncomfortable? Does it get worse when you have fewer stats and don't know what the right play is?
    • Cyfron
      Cyfron
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      Joined: 21.01.2005 Posts: 1,730
      Originally posted by ErikStenqvist

      ....
      Does it get worse when you have fewer stats and don't know what the right play is?
      hey,

      Yes that's a reason.

      maybe i havent described the "problem" exactly before but in general:

      If i face strong aggression no matter on which street (pre or postflop) and i dont know much about the opponent and i have to decide if i can continue with the hand or not.
      And mostly continuing means investing the whole stack to see if he was bluffing or not :P while running bad i tend to be more resultts orientated which leads to bad decisions later on.
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