[NL2-NL10] NL10 Seeing flop for free on BB

    • whySoSerious50
      Joined: 16.09.2008 Posts: 38
      So i got a free flop... And a flus draw comes, with a middle pair... Something terribly wrong here?

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      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with J:heart: , 9:heart:
      UTG+1 calls $0,10, 6 folds, SB calls $0,05, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($0,30) 7:heart: , A:heart: , J:club: (3 players)
      SB bets $0,30, Hero calls $0,30, UTG+1 calls $0,30.

      Turn: ($1,20) 3:club: (3 players)
      SB bets $0,60, Hero raises to $1,20, UTG+1 folds, SB raises to $1,80, Hero raises to $1,60 (All-In), SB gets uncalled bet back..

      River: ($4,40) Q:diamond:

      Final Pot: $4,40

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of jacks (Jh 9h)
      SB shows two pairs, aces and queens (Qh Ac)

      SB wins with two pairs, aces and queens (Qh Ac)
  • 4 replies
    • allizdoR
      Joined: 02.01.2007 Posts: 4,568
      there is no need for a raise on the turn
      i didnt think you have the best hand and he woulndt fold so much, so save your money.

      on the edit: FLOP you could raise because i think you have a monsterdraw and with monsterdraws we try to get all money on the flop in
    • davidangel
      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 456
      I count 14 outs, 12 even if you discount for 3rd flush = made hand.
      So on the flop I am re-raising SB to .90 and push/4 betting. If the other limpy gimpy chum wants to come along for the ride, so be it, bigger payday.
      On the turn I am all-in if not already. Thats how I play SSS, I want them to fold, if I make a bigger hand after wimp calling to the river they will fold sometimes and I lose potential money.
    • allizdoR
      Joined: 02.01.2007 Posts: 4,568
      problem on a turn raise is, that we have nearly 0% FE against SB after his bet and often have less then 50% EQ against him. so its wasting money by pushing the Turn.

      I think we can save money, when we didnt hit and can get additional money when we hit on the river by calling the turn.
    • IngolPoker
      Joined: 05.09.2006 Posts: 10,482
      raise flop because of your 238579234 outs.
      as played call turn, a raise makes no sense