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$EV diff

    • gretemikaite
      Joined: 29.09.2011 Posts: 69
      Hello, I wanted to know why exactly I didn't get any ev diff in this hand. I was ahead OTT vs this guy

      BTN: $25 (100 bb)
      SB: $18.65 (74.6 bb)
      Hero (BB): $32.32 (129.3 bb)
      UTG: $14.92 (59.7 bb)
      MP: $25.85 (103.4 bb)
      CO: $24.55 (98.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 T
      UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks

      Flop: ($0.75) J 8 7 (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, UTG raises to $1, SB calls $1, Hero raises to $3.50, UTG calls $2.50, SB calls $2.50

      Turn: ($11.25) K (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $7, UTG raises to $11.17 and is all-in, SB calls $11.17, Hero calls $4.17

      River: ($44.76) J (3 players, 1 is all-in)
      SB checks, Hero bets $17.40 and is all-in, SB folds

      $44.76 pot ($2.00 rake)
      Final Board: J 8 7 K J
      SB mucked and lost (-$14.92 net)
      Hero showed 9 T and lost (-$14.92 net)
      UTG showed K K and won $42.76 ($27.84 net)
  • 4 replies
    • Alan883
      Joined: 03.12.2008 Posts: 1,941
      Hey gretemikaite,

      hand has to go all in before the river in order to calculate $EV diff. $EV diff is calculated base on the odds you have at the moment you go all in and it expresses the difference between expected value based on the odds and actual results. If you are luckier than expected you money won line is above EV line otherwise it is below.

      So all situations like your is are not calculated in $EV diff. This is why that line doesn't show entirely how were you affected by variance but just part of it.

      I hope i answered your question :f_cool:
    • CrazedTulip
      Joined: 19.09.2009 Posts: 63
      it is because holdem manager is crappy, although you did go all in on turn there was another player in the hand that did not go so it does not calculate ev. total crap imo, similar if you got it all in prf 20bb deep against 1 guy and another player called then x/f the flop crap will calculate your all in against the first guy as tough you got it in on flop, to lazy to fix this obv mistake I guess
    • Alan883
      Joined: 03.12.2008 Posts: 1,941
      I definitely wouldn't call it crappy. Also if it calculates EV in such situation it just wouldn't be accurate. We have to think about our EV versus all opponents and not only one. SB might be on a flush draw or straight draw so EV is very different if we calculate just vs one player or vs both of them. I hope it makes sense.
    • VorpalF2F
      Super Moderator
      Super Moderator
      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 10,715
      This is an excellent example of why "The EV Line" needs to be treated with care.

      It only has meaning for a fairly narrow range of hands, and even that range does not really help with improving your overall play.

      Interesting situation...

      Best of luck,