# \$EV diff

• Bronze
Joined: 29.09.2011
Hello, I wanted to know why exactly I didn't get any ev diff in this hand. I was ahead OTT vs this guy

BTN: \$25 (100 bb)
SB: \$18.65 (74.6 bb)
Hero (BB): \$32.32 (129.3 bb)
UTG: \$14.92 (59.7 bb)
MP: \$25.85 (103.4 bb)
CO: \$24.55 (98.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 T
UTG calls \$0.25, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: (\$0.75) J 8 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets \$0.50, UTG raises to \$1, SB calls \$1, Hero raises to \$3.50, UTG calls \$2.50, SB calls \$2.50

Turn: (\$11.25) K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets \$7, UTG raises to \$11.17 and is all-in, SB calls \$11.17, Hero calls \$4.17

River: (\$44.76) J (3 players, 1 is all-in)
SB checks, Hero bets \$17.40 and is all-in, SB folds

Results:
\$44.76 pot (\$2.00 rake)
Final Board: J 8 7 K J
SB mucked and lost (-\$14.92 net)
Hero showed 9 T and lost (-\$14.92 net)
UTG showed K K and won \$42.76 (\$27.84 net)
• 4 replies
• Bronze
Joined: 03.12.2008
Hey gretemikaite,

hand has to go all in before the river in order to calculate \$EV diff. \$EV diff is calculated base on the odds you have at the moment you go all in and it expresses the difference between expected value based on the odds and actual results. If you are luckier than expected you money won line is above EV line otherwise it is below.

So all situations like your is are not calculated in \$EV diff. This is why that line doesn't show entirely how were you affected by variance but just part of it.

• Bronze
Joined: 19.09.2009
it is because holdem manager is crappy, although you did go all in on turn there was another player in the hand that did not go so it does not calculate ev. total crap imo, similar if you got it all in prf 20bb deep against 1 guy and another player called then x/f the flop crap will calculate your all in against the first guy as tough you got it in on flop, to lazy to fix this obv mistake I guess
• Bronze
Joined: 03.12.2008
I definitely wouldn't call it crappy. Also if it calculates EV in such situation it just wouldn't be accurate. We have to think about our EV versus all opponents and not only one. SB might be on a flush draw or straight draw so EV is very different if we calculate just vs one player or vs both of them. I hope it makes sense.
• Super Moderator
Super Moderator
Joined: 02.09.2010
This is an excellent example of why "The EV Line" needs to be treated with care.

It only has meaning for a fairly narrow range of hands, and even that range does not really help with improving your overall play.

Interesting situation...

Best of luck,
--VS