fold or call?

    • stttNNN
      stttNNN
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.07.2010 Posts: 1,333
      faceing a 3bet from a fish that 3bets 0.9% but the guy is 50bb deep. Is it +EV to call here and go for the setmine or should i fold couse he is to shortstacked?

      $2.50/$5 No Limit Holdem
      HEM2
      10 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($1,202.23) 240bb
      stttNNN (UTG+1) ($651) 130bb
      UTG+2 ($1,868.60) 374bb
      MP1 ($1,417.72) 284bb
      MP2 ($698.49) 140bb
      MP3 ($1,032.35) 206bb
      CO ($1,062.74) 213bb
      BTN ($524.10) 105bb
      SB ($259.94) 52bb
      BB ($500) 100bb

      Pre-Flop: ($7.50, 10 players) stttNNN is
      UTG+1
      4:spade: 4:diamond:
      1 fold, stttNNN raises to $17.50, 6 folds, SB raises to $47.50, 1 fold, stttNNN folds

      Final Pot: $5
      stttNNN shows
      4:spade: 4:diamond:

      SB wins $75 (net +$22.50)

      stttNNN lost $17.50




      one more spot where i feel like u maybe have to call and try to play him out couse i get a good price. The guy who is 3beting us now is pretty tight player 1.7% 3bet and he will barrel all streets almost every singel time his is pfr in a 3bet pott and folds 20% to c/r in 3bet potts so i dont see how i will have a chanse to get him foldning a overpair wich is a problem i think.

      $5/$10 No Limit Holdem
      HEM2
      10 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($1,809.31) 181bb
      UTG+1 ($1,990) 199bb
      UTG+2 ($1,453.05) 145bb
      MP1 ($2,349.86) 235bb
      MP2 ($1,007.88) 101bb
      stttNNN (MP3) ($1,052.18) 105bb
      CO ($2,499.91) 250bb
      BTN ($1,006.65) 101bb
      SB ($280.23) 28bb
      BB ($1,100) 110bb

      Pre-Flop: ($15, 10 players) stttNNN is MP3 9:club: 7:club:
      5 folds, stttNNN raises to $30, 1 fold, BTN raises to $70, 2 folds, stttNNN folds

      Final Pot: $35
      stttNNN shows
      9:club: 7:club:

      BTN wins $115 (net +$45)

      stttNNN lost $30
  • 9 replies
    • jonnyjm
      jonnyjm
      Silver
      Joined: 24.03.2008 Posts: 447
      You probably shouldn't be playing NL500 if you are asking this question. It's a pretty standard fold as you don't have the implied odds to set mine.
    • stttNNN
      stttNNN
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.07.2010 Posts: 1,333
      its not NL500 couse it is a swedish site with swedish currency. its like NL50€. the qustions are pretty std things but i just wanna here from other ppl so im not doing anything wrong. If u dont ask u will never know.. :f_love:
    • jeppann
      jeppann
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      Joined: 30.06.2011 Posts: 68
      You have about 7.5:1 (12%) to hit a set on the flop but then it all comes to your implied odds. You can call more loosely or more tightly depending on how much money you think villain will put in the pot after the flop.

      Since villain is supertight in this specific hand I would call if it was for 10% of my stack or less and villain had me covered. The bet of 47.50 is equal to ~18,3% of villains stack which gives you terrible odds to call. If villain instead had a stack of $475, which makes the bet exactly 10% of his stack, this is a call, given that he has a superstrong hand that he probably wont fold if you hit a set.

      Hand #2 is an easy fold in my opinion. Your (and villains) stack size doesn't give you the right implied odds to call here, especially out of position. Suited connectors and gappers play well postflop only with deep stacks and position is essential to get maximum value.
    • stttNNN
      stttNNN
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.07.2010 Posts: 1,333
      Originally posted by jeppann
      You have about 7.5:1 (12%) to hit a set on the flop but then it all comes to your implied odds. You can call more loosely or more tightly depending on how much money you think villain will put in the pot after the flop.

      Since villain is supertight in this specific hand I would call if it was for 10% of my stack or less and villain had me covered. The bet of 47.50 is equal to ~18,3% of villains stack which gives you terrible odds to call. If villain instead had a stack of $475, which makes the bet exactly 10% of his stack, this is a call, given that he has a superstrong hand that he probably wont fold if you hit a set.
      thx for comment!
    • FFRRAANNKKIIEE
      FFRRAANNKKIIEE
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      Joined: 30.12.2010 Posts: 3,107
      Originally posted by stttNNN
      its not NL500 couse it is a swedish site with swedish currency. its like NL50€. the qustions are pretty std things but i just wanna here from other ppl so im not doing anything wrong. If u dont ask u will never know.. :f_love:
      I was going to ask where do you find 2.5/5 FR game..
      PS correct fold.
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
      Gold
      Joined: 08.09.2010 Posts: 2,064
      1st hand I would fold as well. 2nd hand I would call actually. Despite being OOP, the hand plays well postflop.

      Rihard
    • mesisification
      mesisification
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      Joined: 05.08.2011 Posts: 1,465
      First hand easy fold, second hand I would call vs wider range but this specific villain seems pretty tight, I don't think we can call.
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
      Gold
      Joined: 08.09.2010 Posts: 2,064
      Originally posted by mesisification
      second hand I would call vs wider range but this specific villain seems pretty tight, I don't think we can call.
      Quite opposite, if villains range is tighter we should be more inclined to call this hand, if someone is 3betting very wide it is better to fold because when we hit it is less likely that we gonna get paid, and vs tight players we can get paid off easily when we hit straight/flush/two pair vs their overpairs/TPTK etc.

      Regards,

      Rihard
    • mesisification
      mesisification
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      Joined: 05.08.2011 Posts: 1,465
      Originally posted by Rihard4a
      Originally posted by mesisification
      second hand I would call vs wider range but this specific villain seems pretty tight, I don't think we can call.
      Quite opposite, if villains range is tighter we should be more inclined to call this hand, if someone is 3betting very wide it is better to fold because when we hit it is less likely that we gonna get paid, and vs tight players we can get paid off easily when we hit straight/flush/two pair vs their overpairs/TPTK etc.

      Regards,

      Rihard
      You could be right, I'm not that sure about this when I think about it again.