how often do we hit flush draw or stright draw on flop?

    • stttNNN
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      as the topic say. how often do we hit a flush draw or stright draw with SC preflop? is it harder to hit a flush draw or stright draw with a SG?
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    • YohanN7
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      I'd suggest you search the forum, or perhaps have a look at Wikipedia. I'm sure you can find pretty detailed info in existing sources. (Or just wait for a better reply than mine... :) )
    • jawoftheox
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      OESD + flush draw: 1.424%
      flush draw: 5.2%
      straight draw: 8.0% (OESD)


      I don't know what is SG
    • htghguuh
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    • ThatGuyMatt
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      Originally posted by htghguuh
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      @jawoftheox, I think SG = Suited Gappers.
    • yYPianhaYy
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      here is an overview with some usefull odds into the flop: [Edited by HollyMichelle - Please don't post outside links on our forum]
    • UPAY4DINNER
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      Edited above post.
    • PriscoInline
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      I have once read some interesting facts about SCs in some other forum.

      There's a 5.6% chance of flopping a strong made hand (2 pair+)
      There's a 6.9% chance of flopping a combo draw (12 outer+)
      This gives us a 12.5% chance of flopping a big hand/draw.
      (About the same chance of flopping sets with PPs)

      But you will flop a flush draw or OESD 13.2% of the times.

      This means that 25.7% of the time we will flop something we can continue with.

      So, about 1 out of 8 times we will flop a big made hand/combo draw.

      But you got to take into account that you are not a huge favorite to win the hand most of the times, even when you flop big (when we flop a set, for instance, we usually have 90%+ equity). So we really need to think all the way through when we decide to play them.
      The Stack to Pot Ratio becomes important, so does position and implied odds.

      I used to play them more when deep, and most of the times in position when I played mostly zoom, where there are always deep stacks around offering some tempting implied odds to your SCs.

      Hope this is what you were looking for.
      Good luck.
    • stttNNN
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      Originally posted by PriscoInline
      I have once read some interesting facts about SCs in some other forum.

      There's a 5.6% chance of flopping a strong made hand (2 pair+)
      There's a 6.9% chance of flopping a combo draw (12 outer+)
      This gives us a 12.5% chance of flopping a big hand/draw.
      (About the same chance of flopping sets with PPs)

      But you will flop a flush draw or OESD 13.2% of the times.

      This means that 25.7% of the time we will flop something we can continue with.

      So, about 1 out of 8 times we will flop a big made hand/combo draw.

      But you got to take into account that you are not a huge favorite to win the hand most of the times, even when you flop big (when we flop a set, for instance, we usually have 90%+ equity). So we really need to think all the way through when we decide to play them.
      The Stack to Pot Ratio becomes important, so does position and implied odds.

      I used to play them more when deep, and most of the times in position when I played mostly zoom, where there are always deep stacks around offering some tempting implied odds to your SCs.

      Hope this is what you were looking for.
      Good luck.
      Thx alot for the info! is it the same odds for a S-gaper?
    • PriscoInline
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      It is a little less with a S one-gapper, something like 23% instead of 25.7%. If you would like to see how was that all calculate, PM me and I'll send you a thread.
      Plus, I'm not sure that the Gutshot + pair type of draw was taken into account in those calculations, so it might even be a little bit higher.
    • ThatGuyMatt
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      Some awesome input here guys!

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