texas hold'em worst hand u can have?

    • AAvsKKallin0
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      Witch is te worst hand that u can have befor preflop in texsas hold'ems?
      i had bet whit my frend abaut this
      i told him 32o is worst hand u can have b4 preflop he told me
      that no its not that 72o is. so i go serch a facts and i found out bouth
      where right .72o was in full ring table 5,86% pre-flop so worst hand but
      in head-up was 32o 29,2 %
      pre-flop.So witch one was right and is there
      some link that u can show me .I undestand that whit 32o u got more odds.
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    • Lazza61
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      Hey AAvsKKallin0,

      72o is considered a worse hand preflop because 32o can pull a straight.

      Hope this helps

      Laz
    • AAvsKKallin0
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      yes i can undestand that but
      7 is was bigger hand then 3
      i undestand that u can pull
      steight but is there any
      matematic % that u can
      past me.
    • TinoLaan
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      To be honest it's probably not worth it to run such calculations, because both hands are absolutely terrible :)

      32o has the "advantage" that it can indeed get a straight or straight draw more easily than 72o. 72o on the other hand might be better at showdown more often when you hit a pair of sevens.

      Realistically speaking though, most of the time you shouldn't be playing either of these hands, although there are of course exceptions.

      Regards,
      Tino
    • metza
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      I've heard that in 6max/fullring 72o is the worst, while HU 32o is the worst.
    • PriscoInline
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      Well, against a random range, 72o has 34.48% equity, while 32o has 32.30% equity...
    • nsavov
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      Your english gave me headache.
      IMO 62o is the worst. 72 often have some promotion and if you dont flop anything you can bluff or give up the hand, while 62 often give you reverse implied gutshots and even a calling station can beat you with 7/8 high on some boards, where you are a chicken to 3barrel.
    • RasTweet
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      Originally posted by PriscoInline
      Well, against a random range, 72o has 34.48% equity, while 32o has 32.30% equity...
      ^^ This is true according to equilab.


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    34.58%  31.71%   2.87% { 72o }
      MP3    65.42%  62.54%   2.87% { random }


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    32.30%  29.24%   3.06% { 32o }
      MP3    67.70%  64.63%   3.06% { random }


      When play around with the random range though this happens.

      vs 20% range


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    27.71%  27.31%   0.39% { 72o }
      MP3    72.29%  71.90%   0.39% { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    29.20%  28.80%   0.40% { 32o }
      MP3    70.80%  70.39%   0.40% { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }


      vs 50% range


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    29.56%  28.69%   0.87% { 72o }
      MP3    70.44%  69.56%   0.87% { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    30.65%  29.98%   0.67% { 32o }
      MP3    69.35%  68.68%   0.67% { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }


      So it seems the bigger the range gets the more equity 23o starts to lose compared to 72o. Since no one is playing a 100% range I guess 72o is the weakest hand.

      If you are playing 72o vs 32o though 72o is better because (I guess) 32o only has the 3 as an out and some straight potential. But this isn't enough to counter the high card value of 72o.

             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    34.81%  25.61%   9.20% { 32o }
      MP3    65.19%  55.99%   9.20% { 72o }


      Please bare in mind I'm a fish as well, I just ran some things in equilab. I'm not sure if the things that I wrote are correct.

      RasTweet
    • AAvsKKallin0
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      thx rastweet for this post aloot that what i was telling
      my frend i wanted just like this to proof him
      he told me same thing that 32o got potent
      for streight but i told him 72o is bigger hand .
      and now u proof am right :) thx mate
      and SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH

      Originally posted by PriscoInline
      Well, against a random range, 72o has 34.48% equity, while 32o has 32.30% equity...
      ^^ This is true according to equilab.


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    34.58%  31.71%   2.87% { 72o }
      MP3    65.42%  62.54%   2.87% { random }


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    32.30%  29.24%   3.06% { 32o }
      MP3    67.70%  64.63%   3.06% { random }


      When play around with the random range though this happens.

      vs 20% range


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    27.71%  27.31%   0.39% { 72o }
      MP3    72.29%  71.90%   0.39% { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    29.20%  28.80%   0.40% { 32o }
      MP3    70.80%  70.39%   0.40% { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }


      vs 50% range


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    29.56%  28.69%   0.87% { 72o }
      MP3    70.44%  69.56%   0.87% { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }


             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    30.65%  29.98%   0.67% { 32o }
      MP3    69.35%  68.68%   0.67% { 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T7o+, 98o }


      So it seems the bigger the range gets the more equity 23o starts to lose compared to 72o. Since no one is playing a 100% range I guess 72o is the weakest hand.

      If you are playing 72o vs 32o though 72o is better because (I guess) 32o only has the 3 as an out and some straight potential. But this isn't enough to counter the high card value of 72o.

             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    34.81%  25.61%   9.20% { 32o }
      MP3    65.19%  55.99%   9.20% { 72o }


      Please bare in mind I'm a fish as well, I just ran some things in equilab. I'm not sure if the things that I wrote are correct.

      RasTweet[/quote]
    • mesisification
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      Watch W34z3l video about modern equity, that should give you a better understanding why 32o is better than 72o in most cases. Both hands are really crappy though.
    • mktpppr
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      based only on brute hand strength 32o is the worst hand

      up to 4-handed or something its still the worst hand, from 5-handed 72o is the worst hand because of number of cards dealt and number of cards left in deck, so probability of straights etc comes into play and makes 72o worse than 32o

      I might have whether its from 4 or 5-handed wrong but the concept is correct
    • Kyyberi
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      AA. I have lost biggest pots with AA, while with 32o and 72o I haven't.

      Just kidding :D