*Originally posted by MasochisticDesire*

Hi all,

just wondering what the difference is between '4bet Preflop %' and '4bet Preflop Ratio' and which would be a better indicator of 4bet hand range?

Neither stat can determine a preflop 4Bet range. The range cannot be determined because PokerTracker only knows information from hands that are displayed at showdown. A stat is calculated by tracking any action that can be observed divided by the number of opportunities the player has to take that action. So for example the 4Bet Preflop stat is the number of times that the player 4Bet preflop divided by the number of opportunities that player had to 4Bet Preflop. But this is just a frequency of 4Betting, this frequency can give us some insights into that players range but it is impossible to know the actual range unless we know the player is playing from a chart (and we never know that of course). For example we don't know if a player will include QQ or JJ in his or her 4Bet range, or if they will balance their 4Bet range to create a "polarized" range with hands like A2s.

The 4Bet Ratio is intended to show what percentage of all hands a player is willing to 4+Bet with given that he raised. For example, a player with a PFR of 20 and a 4Bet of 5 raises 20% of hands, and 4 Bets 5% of those; 20 * 5 / 100 = 1. Thus this player has been shown to 4+Bet 1% of his hands. Once again this is not the opponent's range, it is only a representation that makes your decision process easier when estimating what that range could be.

I here of the stat '4bet Preflop Range' but cant seem to find it.

If it exists, how does this differ from the first two I mentioned?

Thanks all,

MD

For the record, if there is a stat anywhere which lists 4Bet range it is either calculated incorrectly, or it can only be used for the HERO. This is why we included a 4Bet Range NoteTracker Autonote in PT4, but this is just the range that we can observe at showdown - not the actual range.