[NL2-NL10] -20BB/HAND with KK, need help

    • Solomaextra
      Solomaextra
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 7,401
      After like 20k hands I am running -EV with AK, it can't be just cariance, I must play them very bad, I'll post some of the loosing hands with KK here so you can comment, I can post all my KK hands later tho, winning and loosing, just need much time for this.

      Here are some of the hands.



      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $8,56
      BB:
      $2,00
      UTG:
      $2,00
      MP3:
      $11,87
      CO:
      $2,12
      BU:
      $9,27

      0,02/0,04 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K:club: , K:heart:
      MP3 raises to $0,24, CO calls $0,24, BU calls $0,24, Hero raises to $1,28, BB folds, MP3 calls $1,04, CO calls $1,04, BU calls $1,04.

      Flop: ($5,16) 3:diamond: , Q:spade: , 2:diamond: (4 players)
      Hero bets $4,12, MP3 folds, CO raises to $0,84 (All-In), BU folds.

      Turn: ($10,12) 6:heart:
      River: ($10,12) A:diamond:


      Final Pot: $10,12

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of kings (Kc Kh)
      CO shows two pairs, queens and threes (3h Qh)

      CO wins with two pairs, queens and threes (3h Qh)




      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $1,01
      Hero:
      $15,20
      MP3:
      $3,06
      CO:
      $2,16
      BU:
      $4,53

      0,02/0,04 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K:heart: , K:diamond:
      MP3 raises to $0,08, CO calls $0,08, BU folds, SB calls $0,06, Hero raises to $0,52, MP3 calls $0,44, CO raises to $2,16 (All-In), SB folds, Hero raises to $3,80, MP3 raises to $3,06 (All-In).

      Flop: ($9,10) 2:spade: , 5:diamond: , 5:club:
      Turn: ($9,10) 9:club:
      River: ($9,10) A:club:


      Final Pot: $9,10

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows two pairs, kings and fives (Kh Kd)
      MP3 shows two pairs, aces and fives (As 8s)
      CO shows a pair of fives (Jh 8h)

      MP3 wins with two pairs, aces and fives (As 8s)




      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $5,21
      BB:
      $4,71
      UTG:
      $6,43
      CO:
      $5,18
      BU:
      $6,02

      0,02/0,04 No-Limit Hold'em (4 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K:heart: , K:club:
      CO calls $0,04, BU calls $0,04, Hero raises to $0,24, BB calls $0,20, CO folds, BU calls $0,20.

      Flop: ($0,76) 7:diamond: , 4:diamond: , T:heart: (3 players)
      Hero bets $0,66, BB calls $0,66, BU folds.

      Turn: ($2,08) J:spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB bets $3,68, Hero calls $3,68.

      River: ($9,44) K:spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0,28, BB raises to $0,13 (All-In).

      Final Pot: $9,85

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows three of a kind, kings (Kh Kc)
      BB shows a straight, jack high (8c 9d)

      BB wins with a straight, jack high (8c 9d)




      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $4,80
      Hero:
      $5,32
      MP3:
      $1,21
      CO:
      $8,71
      BU:
      $5,02

      0,02/0,04 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K:club: , K:spade:
      MP3 folds, CO calls $0,04, BU raises to $0,20, SB folds, Hero raises to $0,84, CO calls $0,80, BU calls $0,64.

      Flop: ($2,54) 8:spade: , 5:heart: , K:heart: (3 players)
      Hero bets $1,64, CO calls $1,64, BU raises to $4,18 (All-In), Hero raises to $4,48 (All-In), CO calls $2,84.

      Turn: ($15,68) A:heart:
      River: ($15,68) 6:spade:


      Final Pot: $15,68

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows three of a kind, kings (Kc Ks)
      CO shows a flush, ace high (Th Qh)
      BU shows two pairs, aces and kings (As Kd)

      CO wins with a flush, ace high (Th Qh)




      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $6,02
      BB:
      $5,42
      BU:
      $8,01

      0,02/0,04 No-Limit Hold'em (3 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K:club: , K:diamond:
      BU calls $0,04, Hero raises to $0,20, BB raises to $0,36, BU folds, Hero raises to $1,56, BB raises to $2,76, Hero raises to $6,02 (All-In), BB raises to $5,42 (All-In).

      Flop: ($11,48) 7:spade: , A:heart: , 2:diamond:
      Turn: ($11,48) 5:spade:
      River: ($11,48) 2:spade:


      Final Pot: $11,48

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows two pairs, kings and deuces (Kc Kd)
      BB shows two pairs, aces and deuces (Ac 8c)

      BB wins with two pairs, aces and deuces (Ac 8c)




      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $3,76
      Hero:
      $10,76
      MP3:
      $2,70
      CO:
      $6,04
      BU:
      $17,43

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K:heart: , K:club:
      MP3 calls $0,10, CO raises to $0,30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1,40, MP3 folds, CO calls $1,10.

      Flop: ($2,95) 6:club: , Q:spade: , 3:spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $1,90, CO calls $1,90.

      Turn: ($6,75) A:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $3,20, CO raises to $2,74 (All-In).

      River: ($12,69) 9:spade:


      Final Pot: $12,69

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of kings (Kh Kc)
      CO shows two pairs, aces and sixes (Ah 6h)

      CO wins with two pairs, aces and sixes (Ah 6h)




      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $10,00
      BB:
      $10,00
      CO:
      $11,26
      BU:
      $9,90

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (4 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K:diamond: , K:club:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0,40, BB calls $0,30.

      Flop: ($0,80) J:club: , 3:spade: , 4:heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0,47, BB calls $0,47.

      Turn: ($1,74) T:heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $1,24, BB calls $1,24.

      River: ($4,22) 2:club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $2,60, BB raises to $5,20, Hero calls $2,60.

      Final Pot: $14,62

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of kings (Kd Kc)
      BB shows a straight, six high (6s 5d)

      BB wins with a straight, six high (6s 5d)




      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $14,70
      BB:
      $5,44
      MP2:
      $12,92
      MP3:
      $9,48
      CO:
      $21,79
      BU:
      $10,46

      0,05/0,1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K:spade: , K:diamond:
      MP2 raises to $0,40, MP3 folds, CO raises to $1,10, BU folds, Hero raises to $3,40, 2 folds, CO calls $2,30.

      Flop: ($7,30) 8:heart: , Q:diamond: , T:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $5,00, CO raises to $18,39 (All-In), Hero raises to $11,30 (All-In).

      Turn: ($36,99) 8:club:
      River: ($36,99) 4:spade:


      Final Pot: $36,99

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows two pairs, kings and eights (Ks Kd)
      CO shows a full-house, tens full of eights (Ts Th)

      CO wins with a full-house, tens full of eights (Ts Th)
  • 5 replies
    • Solomaextra
      Solomaextra
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 7,401
      hands were imported wrong, no betting sizes ?:( Can;t find out how to import them righgt.
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      Heres what I noticed from your hands:

      - You have trouble sometimes, as do I, playing these hands postflop oop (you posted hands from SB/BB)
      - The all in preflop hands are fine. Even if you get sucked out. Even if they have AA. Be happy ppl call all in pf with J3, these fish allow you to make money in the long run. Make sure you make a note of him/friend list him so you can get your money back.
      - Sometimes you bet too little on the flop on a drawy board.
      - You do not tailor your game to your opponent, meaning: overpair is a good hand but no way near the nuts and stations will call with A high sometimes thinking you are bluffing. Against stations you must bear in mind they could have anything...play accordingly.
      - Just because KK or AA is a monster pf, doesnt mean the same postflop.
      - A loose player (pf) isnt the same as a bad player (postflop).

      I think ill end this post now lol
    • Solomaextra
      Solomaextra
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Could you please point on particular hands and mistakes, because I can't really understand what are you saying about loose, bad players, KK not being nuts etc. What hands do you refer to?
    • srohack
      srohack
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 1,908
      hi
      pls post every hand in a separate thread to get the most feedback
      gl
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      Originally posted by Solomaextra
      Could you please point on particular hands and mistakes, because I can't really understand what are you saying about loose, bad players, KK not being nuts etc. What hands do you refer to?

      What Im saying is that KK isnt the nuts postflop. Loose players can and will call with J3, Q6, etc and sometimes hit 2 pair, set or better. You cannot play postflop as if KK is the best hand out there.

      If you post your most important hands one per thread I could post more specifically