Once a winner, today a loser. How to get back?

    • tinetotRNMD
      tinetotRNMD
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      Joined: 22.01.2008 Posts: 39
      Hi,

      My name is Tine, I decided to write a blog. Here is the situation.

      I live with my mom currently and I come from Slovenia. The thing is I can't get any job to get some moeny to become independant so I guess only option is poker.

      I am playng poker for cca 3 years now, started at NL4 crushed and move to NL10 get stake at NL50, beat NL50, move up to NL100, beat it, try NL200 and then stopped. Returned the stake trying to grind back up from NL20 in 2012. And from ever since I can't beat game solidly and since I have to cashout to pay bills like social security etc. My bankroll slowly got into just 150€. And there was also period of not playing.

      So I decided to go start playing NL4 at ipoker in 2014. And I did. I am playing now but it seems that I can't beat it. So I decided to write my blog, to get some advices about my game(betting and non-betting decisions).

      Here are some infos on pictures and furthermore hand will come.

      Overall stats missing around 200k hands that I played where HEM was not supported mostly NL4 and NL10...so here is overall:
      http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2hcd9g7&s=5#.UuJuDrTniCo


      And here is my JAN 2014 so far on NL4(started 4tables tried last 3k 10tables, no difference):
      http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=28by0yt&s=5#.UuJupLTniCo
      http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2dw4uw0&s=5#.UuJvMLTniCo
      http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=e0q644&s=5#.UuJvTbTniCo
  • 33 replies
    • FFRRAANNKKIIEE
      FFRRAANNKKIIEE
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      Joined: 30.12.2010 Posts: 3,107
      Hi tinetotRNMD,

      Welcome to the forum,

      This forum could really help you in improving your game, I suggest you to post exact hands where you have troubles when playing.

      People from the forum will give you exact advises then, which will probably be very helpful for you to get a picture of what your biggest leaks in the game are. GL

      Fran
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Joined: 08.09.2010 Posts: 2,061
      The best ever advice I can give you is to hire a coach. Yes, it may seem to be pretty expensive, especially when you start at nl4 but coach will speed up your progress x20 times by just pointing out your leaks and tips on how to fix them. Coach will explain how you should think during a game etc. This is the stuff that many players in the beginning take for granted. Don't be one of those players!

      Grind hard,

      Rihard
    • tinetotRNMD
      tinetotRNMD
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      Joined: 22.01.2008 Posts: 39
      Hi tnx for reply, I know coach would be the best, but how can I afford coach with BR that small?

      I'll post hands, I think I can start from there...
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Joined: 08.09.2010 Posts: 2,061
      I also started from nl2 and before having a coach couldn't do shit about my bad plays. But then coach after coach brought me to a stage where I can comfortably exploit regs at nl25 and soon gonna move to nl50. Sometimes you have invest to get returns. Poker is like business. :)
    • tinetotRNMD
      tinetotRNMD
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      Joined: 22.01.2008 Posts: 39
      €0.02/€0.04 No Limit Holdem
      5 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      CO: 17/11/5 700hands
      BTN: 26/14/6.5 140hands

      Stacks:
      UTG hubabuba (€4.37) 109bb
      CO Player10 (€6.19) 155bb
      BTN Player1 (€4.03) 101bb
      SB Player3 (€4.96) 124bb
      BB Player5 (€4.06) 102bb

      Pre-Flop: (€0.06, 5 players) hubabuba is UTG K:spade: A:diamond:
      hubabuba raises to €0.12, Player10 raises to €0.36, Player1 calls €0.36, 2 folds, hubabuba raises to €1.08, Player10 folds, Player1 goes all-in €4.03, hubabuba calls €2.95

      Flop: 7:spade: 4:club: J:club: (€8.48, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Turn: Q:spade: (€8.48, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: 3:heart: (€8.48, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: €8.48
      Player1 shows
      A:club: A:spade:

      Player1 wins €7.92 (net +€3.89)

      hubabuba lost €4.03
      Player10 lost €0.36
    • tinetotRNMD
      tinetotRNMD
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      Joined: 22.01.2008 Posts: 39
      €0.02/€0.04 No Limit Holdem
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      BTN: 75/2/0 100hands-fish
      BB: 14/9/0 77hands


      Stacks:
      UTG hubabuba (€4.16) 104bb
      UTG+1 gizthepot (€2.81) 70bb
      CO dotka2 (€4) 100bb
      BTN evmul (€4.31) 108bb
      SB GlassEel (€3.31) 83bb
      BB AgroBob (€8.69) 217bb

      Pre-Flop: (€0.06, 6 players) hubabuba is UTG Q:club: K:diamond:
      hubabuba raises to €0.14, 2 folds, evmul calls €0.14, 1 fold, AgroBob calls €0.10

      Flop: Q:spade: 10:diamond: K:heart: (€0.44, 3 players)
      AgroBob checks, hubabuba bets €0.30, evmul calls €0.30, AgroBob goes all-in €8.55, hubabuba goes all-in €3.72, evmul folds

      Turn: 8:diamond: (€13.31, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: 10:heart: (€13.31, 2 players, 2 all-in)

      Final Pot: €13.31
      AgroBob shows
      10:spade: 10:club:
      hubabuba shows
      Q:club: K:diamond:

      AgroBob wins €12.73 (net +€4)

      hubabuba lost €4.16
      evmul lost €0.44
    • biogas
      biogas
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      Joined: 22.07.2010 Posts: 407
      I am afraid but your problems are described in the two sentences below. Solve those first, than use poker as a plan B or as supplement.

      Originally posted by tinetotRNMD

      I live with my mom currently and I come from Slovenia. The thing is I can't get any job to get some moeny to become independant so I guess only option is poker.

    • CptCap
      CptCap
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      Joined: 18.03.2013 Posts: 90
      Originally posted by biogas
      I am afraid but your problems are described in the two sentences below. Solve those first, than use poker as a plan B or as supplement.

      Originally posted by tinetotRNMD

      I live with my mom currently and I come from Slovenia. The thing is I can't get any job to get some moeny to become independant so I guess only option is poker.

      You saying his mom is the problem???

      You're at the right place, but you gotta do it yourself eventually!
    • tinetotRNMD
      tinetotRNMD
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      Joined: 22.01.2008 Posts: 39
      I am still searching for job but situation in SLO is difficult many jobless people...

      In the meanwhile I have to earn something at least to pay some bills. And since I am not beating even NL4 I hope you guys can help me find what I do wrong during play...caouse, obviusly I have to make some huge misstakes to have graph like fish ;)

      Today:
      http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2d2d1qs&s=5#.UuKbKbTnhD8
    • tinetotRNMD
      tinetotRNMD
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      Joined: 22.01.2008 Posts: 39
      And here are my stats so far NL4 ipoker 6max... 2014... 4tables mostly, please feel free to comment if you think I have some sort of leaks etc.:
      http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=641a39&s=5#.UuKn2rTniHs
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Joined: 08.09.2010 Posts: 2,061
      KQo hand is clear fold vs shove. You are UTG, won't beat much of his value range.

      AKo hand standard, but depends. We can find a fold there also sometimes.
    • tinetotRNMD
      tinetotRNMD
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      Joined: 22.01.2008 Posts: 39
      €0.02/€0.04 No Limit Holdem
      4 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      SB: 67/40/37 -fish


      Stacks:
      CO maxbet2014 (€2.39) 60bb
      BTN hubabuba (€4.26) 107bb
      SB 10YFAKTOR10 (€4.55) 114bb
      BB DerDude38 (€3.23) 81bb

      Pre-Flop: (€0.06, 4 players) hubabuba is BTN J:diamond: K:heart:
      1 fold, hubabuba raises to €0.10, 10YFAKTOR10 calls €0.08, 1 fold

      Flop: K:diamond: 4:spade: 10:club: (€0.24, 2 players)
      10YFAKTOR10 checks, hubabuba bets €0.16, 10YFAKTOR10 raises to €0.52, hubabuba calls €0.36

      Turn: 5:diamond: (€1.28, 2 players)
      10YFAKTOR10 bets €3.93, hubabuba goes all-in €3.64

      River: 4:diamond: (€8.85, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: €8.85
      hubabuba shows
      J:diamond: K:heart:
      10YFAKTOR10 shows
      A:diamond: A:heart:

      10YFAKTOR10 wins €8.28 (net +€3.71)

      hubabuba lost €4.26
    • tinetotRNMD
      tinetotRNMD
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      Joined: 22.01.2008 Posts: 39
      ok guys, i guess I am not beating NL4 at ipoker...I am very sad about it...
      I am going on NL2. We'll see from there... I'll post more hands and update you about it...

      Do you have any suggestions what is good literature to go through...coach isn't an option since I don't have enough BR...


      So far NL4:
      http://oi41.tinypic.com/2nh28hl.jpg
    • tinetotRNMD
      tinetotRNMD
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      Joined: 22.01.2008 Posts: 39
      Here is my first session of NL2, feling like I still don't know how to beat the game...I have a question for you guys:
      Do you table select? I know that for best winrate selection is needed but I want to be better than regs so is my thinking right, that I shouldn't table select? And one mrething, those regs on NL" and NL4 are so weak I can see they are making many misstakes preflop, like calling 3Bets OOP w pocket apirs for setmine etc. Anyway I can spot that, but still can't beat them, any suggestions?

      Here is my first session on NL2:
      http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=28br5mq&s=5#.UuU2Z7TniHs


      And here one hand also:
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      €0.01/€0.02 No Limit Holdem
      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG tantosword (€2.03) 102bb
      UTG+1 404tERROR (€1.35) 68bb
      CO siusiaczek81 (€2.06) 103bb
      BTN FRANKALFONZO (€2.20) 110bb
      SB hubabuba (€3.98) 199bb
      BB g0nnaBust (€2.41) 121bb

      Pre-Flop: (€0.03, 6 players) hubabuba is SB A:diamond: K:diamond:
      tantosword raises to €0.06, 3 folds, hubabuba calls €0.05, 1 fold

      Flop: 6:diamond: 9:spade: 2:spade: (€0.14, 2 players)
      hubabuba checks, tantosword bets €0.09, hubabuba calls €0.09

      Turn: 2:diamond: (€0.32, 2 players)
      hubabuba checks, tantosword bets €0.22, hubabuba calls €0.22

      River: Q:diamond: (€0.76, 2 players)
      hubabuba checks, tantosword bets €0.53, hubabuba raises to €1.06, tantosword calls €0.53

      Final Pot: €2.88
      hubabuba shows
      A:diamond: K:diamond:
      tantosword shows
      Q:heart: Q:club:

      tantosword wins €2.69 (net +€1.26)

      hubabuba lost €1.44
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Joined: 08.09.2010 Posts: 2,061
      You overplay many hands. When you shove a hand that is not nuts, you need to figure what worse hands are going to call or otherwise you turn your hand into a bluff.
    • holmeboy
      holmeboy
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      Joined: 29.01.2010 Posts: 1,336
      Originally posted by tinetotRNMD
      Do you table select? I know that for best winrate selection is needed but I want to be better than regs so is my thinking right, that I shouldn't table select? And one mrething, those regs on NL" and NL4 are so weak I can see they are making many misstakes preflop, like calling 3Bets OOP w pocket apirs for setmine etc. Anyway I can spot that, but still can't beat them, any suggestions?
      I never really did it, but I think you should definitely table select at micros. Rake is huge so you don't want to be playing against regs.

      Originally posted by tinetotRNMD
      And one mrething, those regs on NL" and NL4 are so weak I can see they are making many misstakes preflop, like calling 3Bets OOP w pocket apirs for setmine etc. Anyway I can spot that, but still can't beat them, any suggestions?
      Setmining v 3bets is a huge money maker on micros, and I don't think its a mistake unless you're against a guy who 3bets a lot. I think you're leaving loads of money on the table by not doing it.
    • tinetotRNMD
      tinetotRNMD
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      Joined: 22.01.2008 Posts: 39
      ok tnx guys for reply..

      I'll start re-evaluate my hand strenght so my blue line won't drop so much anymore...

      I guess table selection it is.

      I am not sure about setmining v 3Bet pots... we hit set round 12% of time on flop, so even if you hit and still get paid whole stack 100% of time, you should not put more than 12% of eff stack in it preflop. That means, if somebody open raises let's say NL10 on x3->0.30
      I 3Bet to 0.90 you put 9% of stack in it, so that's ok. BUT! You don't get paid 100% of time, do you?
    • Rihard4a
      Rihard4a
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      Nothing in poker is 100% FYI. When you do hit your set, whether you get payed more than enough will depend on your skill, i.e. edge. You need to exploit your opponents rather playing your cards. That's the beauty of poker. Not the value of your hands, but the value of your opponent mistakes. ;)

      Rihard
    • holmeboy
      holmeboy
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      Originally posted by tinetotRNMD
      I am not sure about setmining v 3Bet pots... we hit set round 12% of time on flop, so even if you hit and still get paid whole stack 100% of time, you should not put more than 12% of eff stack in it preflop. That means, if somebody open raises let's say NL10 on x3->0.30
      I 3Bet to 0.90 you put 9% of stack in it, so that's ok. BUT! You don't get paid 100% of time, do you?
      Using your example you've already invested 0.3 into the pot so once you get 3b its another 0.6 to call with $1.35 in the pot plus relative stack sizes. You don't get paid 100% ofc but if you do it against the right opponents they'll have strong 3b ranges so you'll win a lot of big pots...
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